Talk:Tao Upanishad, Bhag 3 (ताओ उपनिषद, भाग तीन)
Discourse dates provisional, per "Doc X", may not be 100% accurate. They are Jul 17-23, Aug 16-22 and Nov 25 - Dec 1, 1972, have not checked for conflicts with 1972 Discourses page, sorry.
also cover image duplication persists -- Sarlo (talk) 08:22, 27 January 2014 (PST)
Dates now checked against 1972 Discourses page, no conflicts. Possibly they were all at the same place as the earlier Tao Ups, Immortal Study Circle, which could be noted as being in Bombay, where Doc X says vols 1-4 were. And so it came to pass that Vol 3's dates have been entered provisionally in the 1972 Timeline page with details as above. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 05:23, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
TOC below is from the audiobook places, osho.com and Osho World. Titles are the same in each except in four cases. For those keeping score, the comparison yields a tie in this vol, two-two. The discourse numbering is also the same, with numbers going from 1 to 127 over the six volumes of this mega-series, with each volume comprising 21 talks except for the first one, which has 22. Thus this volume is numbered from 44 to 64. -- doofus-9 05:17, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- 44. धार्मिक व्यक्ति अजनबी व्यक्ति है
- 45. संत की वक्रोक्तियां: संत की विलक्षणताएं
- 46. क्षुद्र आचरण नीति है, परम आचरण धर्म [o.com has श्रुद्र replacing क्षुद्र, G**gle Translate suggests the latter, seems more germane.]
- 47. ताओ है झुकने, खाली होने व मिटने की कला [OW has का instead of व, the latter seems more in harmony.]
- 48. समर्पण है सार ताओ का
- 49. ताओ है परम स्वतंत्रता
- 50. न नया, न पुराना; सत्य सनातन है [OW has सनातम instead of सनातन, latter looks more familiar and likely.]
- 51. सदगुण के तलछट और फोड़े [o.com has फोडे instead of फोड़े, G**gle Translate suggests the latter.]
- 52. वर्तुलाकार अस्तित्व में यात्रा प्रतियात्रा भी है
- 53. स्वभाव की उपलब्धि अयात्रा में है
- 54. अद्वैत की अनूठी दृष्टि लाओत्से की
- 55. प्रकाश का चुराना ज्ञानोपलब्धि है
- 56. शिष्य होना बड़ी बात है
- 57. श्रद्धा, संस्कार, पुनर्जन्म, कीर्तन व भगवत्ता
- 58. सनातन शक्ति, जो कभी भूल नहीं करती
- 59. संस्कृति से गुजर कर निसर्ग में वापसी
- 60. प्रकृति व स्वभाव के साथ अहस्तक्षेप
- 61. खेदपूर्ण आवश्यकता से अधिक हिंसा का निषेध
- 62. युद्ध अनिवार्य हो तो शांत प्रतिरोध ही नीति है
- 63. विजयोत्सव ऐसे मना जैसे कि वह अंत्येष्टि हो
- 64. मार्ग है बोधपूर्वक निसर्ग के अनुकूल जीना
Dates and Places info is now in from Jagdish, image right plus text version below. Dates are as above but include now times of day as well. Note that Jagdish uses the collective chapter numbering system of later editions, which i will leave in parentheses while inserting the individual volume chapter numbers as used in the first editions.
- Bhag 3 01 (044) Jul 17 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 02 (045) Jul 18 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 03 (046) Jul 19 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 04 (047) Jul 20 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 05 (048) Jul 21 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 06 (049) Jul 22 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 07 (050) Jul 23 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay Q&A
- Bhag 3 08 (051) Aug 16 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 09 (052) Aug 17 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 10 (053) Aug 18 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 11 (054) Aug 19 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 12 (055) Aug 20 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 13 (056) Aug 21 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 14 (057) Aug 22 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay Q&A
- Bhag 3 15 (058) Nov 25 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 16 (059) Nov 26 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 17 (060) Nov 27 1972 am Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 18 (061) Nov 28 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 19 (062) Nov 29 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 20 (063) Nov 30 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay
- Bhag 3 21 (064) Dec 1 1972 pm Patkar Hall Bombay Q&A
There is also the question of the venue, which up to now has been "Immortal Study Circle, Bombay" for possibly every Tao Up discourse given before the move to Pune, which is to say this volume and Bhags 1, 2 and 4. The D&P info from Jagdish suggests this "study circle" is not actually a venue. (See the D&P images in the Talk pages for Bhag 1, Bhag 2 and Bhag 4 to get the complete picture.)
The venues will be updated to reflect Jagdish's understanding here. For a thorough discussion of the ins and outs of this, see Bhag 4's Talk page.
Note also the Q&A discourses, popping up regularly at the end of each seven-talk round. This is also the case in Bhags 2 and 4. In other Bhags, they are less regular, but when they do come, it seems to be at the end of a seven-talk cycle. -- doofus-9 00:20, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Nov 27 (Bhag 3 #17) changed in the Timeline from am (above) to pm. For explanation see Talk:Osho's Itinerary#The Nov 1972 - Feb 1973 News. "am" from Jagdish may be a typo. Also in the Itinerary talk page in the same section is the beginning of an exploration of "study circle". Not a venue. -- doofus-9 07:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
For 21-22 Aug it is stated in Timeline 19:00 according Itinerary source. 8:15 pm frim Jagdish seems incorrect copy from 19-20 Aug dates.
1975 ed mentions dates without exact time.--DhyanAntar 07:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
Below info is from tape labels (of cassettes #46-70: the rest cassettes were unavailable for me); number of event was added in beginning for convenience. Comments are added after colons.
Bhag 3 ~ 03 #46: 19.07.1972 pm Bombay
Bhag 3 ~ 04 #47: 20.07.1972 pm Bombay
Bhag 3 ~ 05 #48: 21.07.1972 pm Bombay
Bhag 3 ~ 06 #49: 22.07.1972 pm Bombay : Saturday, Timeline is based on Jagdish's - morning. Typo on the label?
Bhag 3 ~ 07 #50: 23.07.1972 pm Bombay : Sunday, Timeline is based on Jagdish's - morning. Typo on the label?
Bhag 3 ~ 08 #51: 16.08.1972 pm Bombay 103min cont.
Bhag 3 ~ 09 #52: 17.08.1972 pm Bombay 95min cont.
Bhag 3 ~ 10 #53: 18.08.1972 pm Bombay 87min
Bhag 3 ~ 11 #54: 19.08.1972 pm Bombay 80min : Saturday, Timeline - morning, Jyoti Shikha magazine confirmes it. It was Saturday and it is seen there was the system that Saturday and Sunday talks were in mornings.
Bhag 3 ~ 12 #55: 20.08.1972 am Bombay 89min : Sunday, Timeline - morning, Jyoti Shikha magazine confirmes
Bhag 3 ~ 13 #56: 21.08.1972 pm Bombay 94min cont.
Bhag 3 ~ 14 #57: 22.08.1972 pm Bombay 94min cont.
Bhag 3 ~ 15 #58: 25.11.1972 am Bombay 84min : Saturday, Timeline, Jyoti Shikha magazine agree (morning)
Bhag 3 ~ 16 #59: 26.11.1972 am Bombay 76min : Sunday, Timeline, Jyoti Shikha magazine agree (morning)
Bhag 3 ~ 17 #60: 27.11.1972 pm Bombay 103min cont.
Bhag 3 ~ 18 #61: 28.11.1972 pm Bombay 85min
Bhag 3 ~ 19 #62: 29.11.1972 pm Bombay 92min
Bhag 3 ~ 20 #63: 30.11.1972 pm Bombay 86min
Bhag 3 ~ 21 #64: 01.12.1972 pm Bombay 79min
Bhag 4 ~ 01 #65: 18.06.1973 pm Bombay 94min cont.
Bhag 4 ~ 02 #66: 19.06.1973 pm Bombay 91min
Bhag 4 ~ 03 #67: 20.06.1973 pm Bombay 90min
Bhag 4 ~ 04 #68: 21.06.1973 pm Bombay 85min
Bhag 4 ~ 05 #69: 22.06.1973 pm Bombay 87min
Bhag 4 ~ 06 #70: 23.06.1973 pm Bombay 92min : Saturday, Timeline - morning.
Marking "cont." means that a discourse is continued on 3rd side, i.e. separate cassette. Audio duration matches to our audios.
Conclusion: Jagdish's info is partly confirmed by the Itinerary and looks correct, altough a few typos are presented.--DhyanAntar 08:28, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
