Talk:The Heartbeat of the Absolute

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April 10 was given discourse number 13, and chapters in book are 20 (as well as on CD-ROM), so chapters 14-20 can not fit in any way on April 10. The exact dates of chapters 14-20 are not specified, only April 1971 is mentioned.

Second issue is the name of the place. The place doesn't correspond to the Hindi original, which was corrected. See that book's discussion page.

By the way, the interesting fact is that the translation has 20 chapters in contrast to the original - 13 (surface searches have confirmed this number of chapters).--DhyanAntar 08:13, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Okay, will fix venue name. An interesting anomaly, the 13-vs-20 discourses. There is no obvious resolution of this seen right now. The CD-ROM has an unusual pattern for the first twelve talks, which is two each day, even the first day -- the first day of a camp usually being just one, on the night when everyone has arrived. And it doesn't say anything about Apr 10 or any dates for #13-20.

A look at the text for this book, especially the closing remarks for each talk, suggests that most of the even-numbered chapters are evening sessions. But some are indeterminate, and ch #2 seems to be a morning talk. (The CD-ROM states that all the even-numbered chapters from 1-12 are pm, the odd-numbered ones am.)

And many references in ch #1 indicate that it will be a seven-day camp, while the summation at the end of ch #20 indicates it has been a six-day camp. So a few things that don't add up. Hindi audio is available for discourses 1-13 only.

The Revision history of Osho Timeline 1971 shows that Heartbeat of the Absolute has been included from the page's very beginning, and with data agreeing with the CD-ROM. But things change. The last edit with those data intact was Jan 9 2014. The next two edits, on Mar 28 2014, have added in the "Bikaner Palace Hotel" as the venue and changed the dates, so that only the first talk is on Apr 4 (pm), and Apr 10 has been added, so that #12 and #13 are on that date, with all the odd-numbered talks now evening talks. Can we find out what the source for that change might have been? -- doofus-9 02:48, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see my addition to the notes field: the book definitely states that all 20 discourses given on 4th to 10th April, 1971.
Strange, as that would require that there are not two, but three or four discourses per day, with maybe the first day only one or two, that would fit.
And by the way:
Ishavashya Upanishad (ईशावास्य उपनिषद) has only 13 chapters.
In the media collection, there are only 13 MP3s of Ishavashya Upanishad.
The 6th but last paragraph of ch.1:
So, when I begin to talk in the morning, remove your blindfold, and for the afternoon and the night meditations. I am giving you these opportunities to use your eyes because having some chance to see the world outside may help your eyes to go within; otherwise you keep your eyes closed. (...)
The last paragraph of ch.1:
These five things are to be practised from tomorrow morning. (...)
The last paragraph of ch.14:
The night meditation is the most important and valuable, and the other two sessions of meditation are meant to prepare for this night meditation. (...)
The third but last paragraph of ch.20 reads:
Now, at the end, let us start on our journey within. As it is the last day, I want to tell you two or three things. First, during this six-day experiment I have brought you to such a point that I now ask you to add one small thing to it: there will be a great explosion if that is added. So be prepared for it.
When you look at me, gaze fixedly; do not blink your eyes, and at the same time, with each breath out make the sound Hoo, hoo! (...)
Apparently, this continues into a meditation leaded by Osho.
Chapters 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 17, 18, 20 end with starting a meditation.
(Chapters 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 16, 19 do not end in a remark about doing meditation.)
Chapters 1*, 8, 10, 12*, 14 end with a reference of being maybe the last one of that day, like "Enough for today". (But sometimes Osho uses that just to conclude any discourse, so no proof.)
* but 1 and 12 definitively seem to indicate last of the day.
Chapters 15 ends with a reference of not being the last of the day.
So what do we have, apparently, from this:
Question: are the 20 chapters of the English book maybe the same as the 13 chapters of the Hindi book and audio? How are they divided/combined? We need a Hindi speaker. I will ask Shailendra, maybe he or someone he knows.

--Sugit (talk) 11:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

The questions posted above have now be solved with the help of Shailendra. I have removed the now obsolete remarks from that post. Seven of the 13 chapters/discourses of Ishavashya Upanishad have been split in two for The Heartbeat, giving that book 20 chapters. Also, the order of the chapters is different. See the timeline for the resolution.

Shailendra adds:

There were always 3 meditations in camps conducted by osho, till beginning of poona ashram in march 1974.
1 dynamic - after morning discourse
2 keertan - in afternoon in silent presence of osho
3 tratak - gazing at osho+ jumping with HOO, after night discourse
Second one is not recorded, as there was no Talk.
In few camps, in place of keertan, only silent sitting happened. Osho and all participants sat with closed eyes.

--Sugit (talk) 18:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

After more correspondence with Sw Shailendra Saraswati, it is now clear that:

  • The order of the 13 chapters in Ishavashya Upanishad (ईशावास्य उपनिषद) is correct, same as the order of the events
  • The 20 chapters in Heartbeat cover the same discourses, but split up per sutra: Osho would sometimes talk about 2 sutras in one discourse
  • The order of the chapters in Heartbeat is different, to bring the order in compliance with the order of the original sutras of the Ishavashya Upanishad
  • See the timeline for details

--Sugit (talk) 05:52, 14 June 2018 (UTC)