Talk:Vaijnanikadasti Ane Gandhivada (વૈજ્ઞાનિકદષ્ટિ અને ગાંધીવાદ)

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File:Vaignanikdrashti Ane Gandhiwad Rajneesh Programmes.jpg of this book lists upcoming programmes of Rajneesh. The dates may have been changed or programmes had been cancelled but the list may help in Osho Timeline 1968 and Osho Timeline 1969. I have added my own minor corrections.-Nizil (talk) 05:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Upcoming programmes of Acharya Rajneeshji
30, 31 Dec 1968 and 1-2-3 Jan 1969 - Matunga, Bombay - Gyansatra (GS)
13-14-15 Feb - Bhavnagar - GS
22 Feb - Jabalpur - Discourse (D)
25-26-27 Feb - Junagadh - GS
8-9-10 March - Porbandar - GS
15 March - Jabalpur - D
21-22-23 March - Matheran - Sadhna shibir (SS)
1-2-3 April - Buhranpur - GS
6 April - Jabalpur - D
5-6-7 May - Kolhapur - GS
8-9 May - Poona - Satsang (S)
17-18-19-20 May - Indore - GS
20-21 May - Bhopal - S
30-31 May and 1-2 June 1969- Udaipur - SS
@all. Use this where helpful. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 05:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

The upcoming programme gives clear hint that date of booklet is 1968, most likely Nov or Dec.

We have special page for above info: Osho's Itinerary. I will add your translated info to there. Thank you for it. What corrections were made? It needs to state original data and then put comments, - it is for Itinerary page.--DhyanAntar 07:15, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

@Dhyan, The first date 30, 31 Dec 68 is mistakenly labelled as 30,31 Feb .. Feb don't have 30, 31 and next date is 1-2-3 Jan so it is clearly 30,31 Dec. That I corrected.-Nizil (talk) 07:35, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Aha, very good.--DhyanAntar 13:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
@Dyan Regarding date, this booklet is likely published in last days of Jan 1969 or early Feb 1969 (as per preface date, see below section). By that time, first Matunga, Bombay of Osho's upcoming programmes already happened, in my opinion. Publication delays are common i think.-Nizil (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Not completely agree, but yes, Preface date looks more trustworthy.--DhyanAntar 13:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Nizil, for subtitle please use second field in edition, i.e. field between cover link and publication date. Description section is not for it :-)--DhyanAntar 13:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Discourse identification

The Preface, written by Publisher Rajnikant Ambani, of this booklet mentions date 26 January 1969 on which the preface was written. It also mentions that this booklet is a verbatim translation Osho's one of discourses regarding Gandhism at Rajkot. It also mentions that it was a morning discourse at Rajkot which started with example of Pope's visit to US.

The text (first and last page which i have here) significantly differs from Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath (अस्वीकृति में उठा हाथ) ch.1 (Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath ~ 01) which also starts with same Pope example. Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath (अस्वीकृति में उठा हाथ) ch.1 also mentions Osho saying 'I was at Rajkot, I returned from there today'. Osho was at Rajkot on 1 Dec 1968 as per Osho Timeline 1968 (on that date version it was based on Osho's Itinerary). I have gone through few keywords and it does not match any discourse in Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया) (3 volumes which also includes Aswikriti). The only discourse of Rajkot in it is from 1970 and that do not match either. So I am of opinion that this booklet is a translation of one of the missing discourses given at Rajkot on 1 December 1968. I am yet to find it published in Hindi elsewhere (likely not published in Hindi).-Nizil (talk) 07:53, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Booklet is published by Jivan Jagruti Kendra, Rajkot so their identification info is unlikely to be false.-Nizil (talk) 07:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I also believe that Osho gave Pope example at Rajkot on 1 Dec and again on next day 2 Dec at Bombay (Aswikriti ~1).-Nizil (talk) 07:58, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hm, i wonder it is ONLY one talk at Rajkot during that short visit. If so then it seems enough time to come to Bombay on next day.
Please research Hindi text of it. It needs a confirmation that no Hindi text available or known, then in this case i try to get complete version of the book.--DhyanAntar 13:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I don't know if Osho has given more discourses at Rajkot on 1 Dec. Anyway this discourse definitely belong to Rajkot and I have checked all discourses given at Rajkot on Timeline. I also checked by keywords in Google, Osho Ganga and dozen books of that period. None of that matches the text. AFAIK, there is no Hindi text I could find. Please try to get complete version. Regards,-Nizil (talk) 01:45, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Good. Then this is new event. I will ask for complete text. Meanwhile we need Hindi title for event. Can you translate Gujarati into Hindi please?--DhyanAntar 03:25, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
One more: as it is first published talk, then create please category First Edition Series for Gujarati like we have in Hindi. Then all similar cases should go to this category.--DhyanAntar 03:37, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Hindi: Vaigyanikdrishti Aur Gandhiwaad (वैज्ञानिकदृष्टि और गांधीवाद).-Nizil (talk) 04:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
I can create Category:First Edition Series (gu:પ્રથમ આવૃત્તિ શ્રેણી). But I like to confirm that it is not original Gujarati talk but a translation of Hindi talk whose original text/audio is missing. Is it appropriate to create this category?-Nizil (talk) 04:11, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
It will be if we know that it is indeed first published talk, i.e. it was not published in Hindi at first. Ok, let me ask Shailendra, let's see what he will tell.--DhyanAntar 04:21, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

Ok, the event is created now, Timeline updated.--DhyanAntar 04:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)