The Last Testament (Vol 1) ~ 05

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event type interview
date & time 22 Jul 1985 pm
location Jesus Grove, Rajneeshpuram
language English
audio Available, duration 1h 53min. Quality: good.
Live music after the interview.
online audio
video Available, duration 2h 1min. Quality: good.
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online text find the PDF of this discourse
shorttitle LAST105
notes
Most of the 166 interviews Osho gave during the Ranch era and World Tour (see The Last Testament (series)) have never been published in book form. They have been published on the CD-ROM though; there they appear under the titles The Last Testament (Vol 1) to (Vol 6).
CD-ROM on this chapter: This discourse is published in The Last Testament, Vol 1, chapter 15. See The Last Testament, Vol 1#Correspondence between this Book and the CD-ROM.
Clips from this interview have been used in the film The Last Testament - Interviews with World Media (1985).
synopsis
Interview. Announcements by Ma Anand Sheela : Howard Sattler from Australia
CD-ROM on this chapter: Howard Sattler, 6PR Radio, Australia.
Question 1
Bhagwan, you have the champagne, I have the water. You say you're an ordinary man. Where does that place the rest of us?
Question 2
Edited excerpt: (8min 33sec, part of questions 2-3, 5-6b **
You and particularly your Rajneeshees have created quite an impact on Western Australia, where I come from, through a lot of things -- their commercial endeavors, and their efforts to start a community school in our southwest. The people of Western Australia want to know about you, about your people. Could you tell them what sort of person you are?
Question 3
Are you a threat to their existence and their futures? Many people have been told you are.
Question 4
Does that mean that they have to become Rajneeshees?
Question 5
Edited excerpt: 3min 15sec, questions 5-6b **
You certainly challenge people's traditional values, and that's one of the things I believe makes your job more difficult. Do you think that you could be a little bit more moderate and look for the end result rather than the immediate reaction?
Question 6
You're not a politician, are you?
Question 6b
You certainly won't be ignored, I can assure you of that.
Question 7
You have a situation where I come from in Western Australia where your Rajneeshees have got to get approval from governments, from politicians, to go ahead with their projects there. What's your advice to them if the politicians are against you?
Question 8
With guns?
Question 9
You would never use guns or condone that sort of...?
Question 10
Your personal secretary, Sheela, created an incredible impact in Western Australia. Certainly she was probably number one entertainment for around about a month on radio and television over there. But I understand that you are a little bit unhappy with the way she handled things. You thought she could have been a bit tougher.
Question 11
Well, perhaps you should come next time.
Question 12
To Australia, to Western Australia?
Question 13
She's getting us ready, is she?
Question 14
All your opponents will be almost knocked out by then.
Question 15
What will you do when you get there?
Question 16
It sure has. I have been told that one of the reasons you live in Oregon is because the weather suits you, because of your medical condition. The weather in Western Australia is almost the same as Oregon.
Question 17
You said just a little while ago that you are not an actor. But a lot of people might class you as one of the great comedians of this world.
Question 18
Where does the talent come from?
Question 19
You enjoy the laughs?
Question 20
More than anything else?
Question 21
You've suggested that perhaps you can be a madman. I don't think you are a madman at all. But there are madmen around the world who are religious leaders and I'd ask you, if I could, if you would comment on some of them. The Ayatollah Khomeini?
Question 22
Whole nations sometimes, like Iran.
Question 23
Why?
Question 24
So is the Pope a fraud?
Question 25
Perhaps we are spending too much money reaching the moon.
Question 26
Is it (the coming war ) going to happen?
Question 27
But you're a capitalist here, running a commune.
Question 28
Is that sort of wealth available to the people of, let's say, India, the sort of people that Mother Teresa tries to help?
Question 29
What would you say to the millions of Australians who have donated to buy food for Ethiopians who are dying of hunger, dying of war?
Question 30
We should stop aid to Ethiopia?
Question 31
In places like India and perhaps South America, oppressed countries, should there be a moratorium on all births for, say, twenty years?
Question 32
Who would be its president, Ronald Reagan?
Question 33
You?
Question 34
What's it going to take for this to happen? You're enough of a realist to know that it won't happen tomorrow.
Question 35
But why no babies here? People here, I would have thought, could afford to procreate.
Question 36
But surely the human race will die out of existence if everybody does that?
Question 37
So you're attracted to the test-tube baby program?
Question 38
Bhagwan, I am fifteen thousand miles away from home, and even now I think I can hear people screaming that you're trying to destroy their freedom of choice.
Question 39
If your predictions are correct it will be AIDS that will reduce and contain the world's population, because you have said that it will kill two-thirds of the people. People here have gone to extreme lengths to stop it infiltrating your community. There are condoms and rubber gloves supplied to all. Medical scientists, however, are closely monitoring AIDS, and they say that only a few thousand people will be affected. How do you know it is going to kill so many people?
Question 40
What's the alternative?
Question 41
What do you think of homosexuals? -- because they have been blamed for spreading most of the AIDS.
Question 42
They tell us they're celibate.
Question 43
He might have been lucky. Not many seventy-year-olds have that sort of dreams, do they?
Question 44
Have you ever been celibate?
Question 45
Don't promise me, promise them. All these ladies about the place tell me that you're a great lover.
Question 46
How do they know that?
Question 47
Does that mean you've had sex with them?
Question 48
How do you choose your sexual partners?
Question 49
Edited excerpt: 10min 23sec, questions 49, 51-54 **
Have you ever come close to getting married?
Question 50
What about the pressures from the society in which you lived? -- not just your parents -- because particularly in those days Indian society would have been very, very close and would have demanded that you did one of two things.
Question 51
So, what would you say now to all the people in the world who are married? Should they all get divorced?
Question 52
Do you believe that story?
Question 53
Got God to do the job!
Question 54
What about family responsibilities, the married partners' responsibility to their children, for a start?
Question 55
How do you relate that to a Western society where most people live as an individual family in each home, not in a commune? What should happen there?
Question 56
And a street row of houses?
Question 57
You talked before about women as sexual partners and as lovers, but you see them as a lot more than that. In fact, looking around here, it would seem to me that it's the women who are running the place.
Question 58
What's wrong with the men?
Question 59
So when you go, when you die, will a woman become the leader of the Rajneeshees?
Question 60
But you care for the future of Rajneeshees?
Question 61
Have you met a woman who could do the job that you're doing as well?
Question 62
Would you have liked to have been a woman?
Question 63
What makes you so special? Why are you the one who is the leader? You tell people things, and they follow what you say, but why you? Why not somebody else? Why not nobody? Could these people not just follow your philosophies without you telling them?
Question 64
Does it surprise you that they follow you the way they do?
Question 65
Do you enjoy the adoration?
Question 66
I'm not going to ask you about your Rolls Royces and I'm not going to ask you about your half-million-dollar watch, but I know that any fashion-conscious people, particularly women, who've seen you would say, "Where does he get those magnificent clothes from?"
Question 67
Are you fashion conscious?
Question 68
Well I've got a feeling you might be going to start a new fashion.
Question 69
Bhagwan, you've raised a lot of consciousness, I know. I can predict that already from what we've talked about here. Are you serious about it all, or is it all just one big joke?
Question 70
Perhaps a final message to the people in Western Australia about you, about what they're going to hear from you in the future, and perhaps what they're going to see from you? Do you have one? They're all waiting.
Question 71
Soon?


(source:CD-ROM)


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