The Zen Manifesto ~ 08

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event type discourse & meditation
date & time 7 Apr 1989 pm
location Gautam the Buddha Auditorium, Pune
language English
audio Available, duration 2h 46min. Quality: good.
Osho leading meditation from 2:20:12.
More than 10 minutes of live music after the discourse.
online audio
video Available, duration 2h 40min. Quality: good, but a constant audio-noise.
online video
see also
online text find the PDF of this discourse
shorttitle ZENMAN08
Reader of the sutras: Ma Prem Maneesha. Questions are being read by Osho himself.
After discourse Osho leads No-Mind Meditation.
The sutras
A monk asked Daiten, a disciple of Sekito, "How is it when one meets the person-in-there?"
Daiten replied, "The person is not in there anymore."
The monk asked, "What is 'in there'?"
Daiten said, "Don't ask that question."
The monk then asked, "In the ocean of misery, the waves are deep. With what can we make a boat?"
Daiten replied, "Make a boat with wood."
The monk said, "If we do, can we go across the ocean?"
Daiten replied, "The blind are still blind; the dumb are still dumb."
On another occasion a monk from Korea came to see Daiten. When the monk unrolled the sitting mat to make a bow, Daiten said, "Before you leave your country, get the single phrase!"
The monk had no answer.
Daiten then came forward and said, "If you ask about the single phrase here, I will answer with two phrases."

Question 1
Apparently sex was used by some Zen masters -- for example, Ikyu -- as a way to transform energy. However, in no translation to date does evidence of this appear. It seems disciples excluded from their records about their master any mention of sex, for fear that their master would be misunderstood.
Would you like to comment?
Question 2
Last night you said that the absolute cannot be defined by any system. However, in the relative domain of life on earth, are not seeds and seasons part of a discernable mechanism through which this limited existence functions?
Question 3
Last night I heard you say that our energy is based in the 'hara', and that it is expressed through the different chakras in the body.
Traditional Zen seems to emphasize zazen as the way to come in touch with that energy, whereas you have allowed, even encouraged, your disciples to have more freedom to explore the various avenues of expression.
Beloved master, would you like to comment?
Question 4
Beloved Osho, Philip Kapleau writes in his book, 'The three pillars of Zen': "The drive towards enlightenment is powered on the one hand by a painfully felt inner bondage -- both a frustration with life and a fear of death -- and on the other hand, by the conviction that through satori one can gain liberation."


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