Talk:Dharm Sadhana Ke Sutra (धर्म साधना के सूत्र)

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event	audio, OshoWorld	audio, Osho.com (*1)	1999 book ed. (*2), Shailendra's PDF, Oshoganga	Osho.com library	Dates & Places
	#1 incomplete	1. धर्म परम विज्ञान है "incomplete"	1. धर्म परम विज्ञान है incomplete	1. धर्म परम विज्ञान है incomplete	interview
	#2 first 8m 26sec is last part of ch.10 (*3)	3. ध्यान में मिटने का भय first 8m 45sec is last part of ch.10 (*3)	2. ध्यान में मिटने का भय it starts to match OW audio from 8:27 (first sentence missing and beginning of second one incompete on both audios)	3. ध्यान में मिटने का भय
(*4)	#3 beginning incomplete (*5)	2. परमात्मा की खोज beginning incomplete (*5)	3. परमात्मा की खोज missing text for last 2 min	2. परमात्मा की खोज missing text for last 2 min
	#4	5. तीन सूत्र : बहना, मिटना, सर्व-स्वीकार	4. तीन सूत्रः बहना, मिटना, सर्व-स्वीकार	5. तीन सूत्रः बहना, मिटना, सर्व-स्वीकार
(*4)	#5	4. मनुष्य के अज्ञान का आधार	5. मनुष्य के अज्ञान का आधार	4. मनुष्य के अज्ञान का आधार
	#6	6. अमृत की उपलब्धि	6. अमृत की उपलब्धि	6. अमृत की उपलब्धि missing last paragrah
	#7 last sentence incomplete	7. प्राणों की प्यास<br<missing last sentence	7. प्राणों की प्यास	7. प्राणों की प्यास
	#8	8. रहस्य का द्वार	8. रहस्य का द्वार	8. रहस्य का द्वार
	#9 incomplete	9. जीवन की वीणा का संगीत incomplete	9. जीवन की वीणा का संगीत incomplete	9. जीवन की वीणा का संगीत incomplete
(*4)	#10 missing first sentence	10. प्रेम ही परमात्मा है missing first sentence	10. प्रेम ही परमात्मा है	10. प्रेम ही परमात्मा है

(*1) On Osho.com audios 3 and 4 as well as 9 and 10 are selling together. Osho Khajana collection (2010-2011 Osho.com) has other order of audios.

(*2) We assume book edition has the same incompleteness as Shaiendra's PDF because the latter is OCRed book scan.

(*3) First part of both audios have part from another event (ch.10), beginning of this part matches to text from p.132 of Shailendra's PDF. These chapters seem different events.

(*4) Religious fanatics who keep on disturbing by chanting on loud speaker so that Osho cannot give discourse during ch.3. Chapter 5 and 10 were disturbed. In 5th talk they were succeeded: Osho spoke 4 min only.

(*5) Transcipt of last part of ch.3 which is missing in Shailendra's PDF (last 2 minutes of talk on audio):

"इसलिए आज एक ही सूत्र आपसे कहता हूँ और वो ये कि क्या आपकी जिंदगी में परमात्मा की प्रमाणिक प्यास है ? इस प्रश्न को बहुत ईमानदारी से अपने से पूछना। इसका जो भी उत्तर मिलेगा वो आपकी जिंदगी में परिवर्तन का कारण हो सकता है और मैं मानता हूँ कि अधिक को पता चलेगा कि प्यास नहीं है क्योंकि अगर प्यास होती तो मिलन हो गया होता। अगर प्यास होती तो दूरी कंहाँ थी ! प्यास की कमी एक मात्र दूरी है। प्यास का न होना ही एक मात्र फासला है और अगर ख्याल में आये कि प्यास नहीं है तो फिर पहले प्यास को पैदा करने की कोशिश ज़रूरी है। पीछे परमात्मा की खोज ज़रूरी है ये प्यास अपनी जिंदगी पर एक नज़र डालने से पैदा हो जाएगी। बचपन से आज तक की जिंदगी पर एक नज़र डाल के देख लेना उसमें कुछ है जिसका मूल्य है ? कुछ है जो परमात्मा को अर्पित किया जा सकता है ? कुछ है जो बचाने योग्य है ? अगर उसमें कुछ भी बचाने योग्य न दिखे तो भीतर जो खालीपन रह जाये वह जिंदगी का पहला मंदिर और पहला पड़ाव बन जाये। इस खालीपन के लिए थोड़ी सी बातें मैंने कही कल सम्भव हुआ क्योंकि कल का तो कभी कोई भरोसा नहीं है कल सम्भव हुआ तो आगे की बात आपसे में कहना चाहूँगा। जिन मित्रों को इस सम्बन्ध में कुछ भी पूछना हो वो कल लिख के दे देंगे। मेरी बातों को इतने प्रेम और शांति से सुना उससे अनुग्रहीत हूँ और अंत में परमात्मा से प्रार्थना करता हूँ कि सब को प्यास दे ताकि उसकी खोज हो सके। आप सब के भीटर बैठे परमात्मा को मेरा प्रणाम स्वीकार करें।"

Deliberations

Both "Doc X" and Neeten's Osho Source Book report Jun 20, 1965 and "Bombay", but which discourse number that applies to is not known. No other dates or locations yet found.

Rebel ISBN 81-7261-145-5 not even found by Google.

TOC below is audio titles from osho.com (it was changed on the site later). Most discourses are somewhat incomplete due to poor sound.

1: धर्म परम विज्ञान है

2: ध्यान में मिटने का भय

3: परमात्मा की खोज

4: तीन सूत्र : बहना, मिटना, सर्व-स्वीकार

5: मनुष्य के ज्ञान का आधार (Shailendra stated that third word is wrong, it should be अज्ञान)

6: अमृत की उपलब्द्धि (Shailendra stated that the last word is wrong, it should be उपलब्धि)

7: प्राणों की प्यास

8: रहस्य का द्वार

9: जीवन की वीना का संगीत और प्रेम ही परमात्मा है (Shailendra's e-book - जीवन की वीणा का संगीत)

10: प्रेम ही परमात्मा है

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Update and comments resulting from another look at osho.com's audiobook offering, inspired by the newly arrived "Dates and Places" info from Jagdish, which unfortunately this time has only Places, no Dates. And even that is in conflict with the one shard of info from Neeten and Doc X. Oh well, here it is anyway fwiw.

No need for a text version of this image. About the update and comments, there was no change found in osho.com's presentation of this series as of today's writing.

talk #5. We will have to take Shailendra's word for this. Osho.com is sticking with ज्ञान. Shailendra's word अज्ञान is exactly the opposite, but he is usually right on such matters.

talk #6. Shailendra's correction is validated by G**gle Translate.

talk #9. Shailendra looks right here just based on common sense. His title words are the same as osho.com's at first (with a spelling correction, वीणा, validated by G**gle) but then osho.com adds और प्रेम ही परमात्मा है, which is just "and" #10's title, which, when followed by #10, looks just idiotic.

FWIW, #10's title resonates somewhat with the title suggested by Jagdish. It is by no means precisely, but close enough to say it is probably the same.

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Hindi Books_Chronologic, Alphabetic, Subject wise list states: 10 talks, June 1965, Bombay.--DhyanAntar 03:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Osho was already in Jabalpur late at night of 22 Jun 1965. It means 21 Jun was last day of talks in Bombay. (Travel by train takes 20h.)

Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Dharma Sadhna ke Sutra, 1 talk, 20.6.65"

Extracts from text (source: google translation of Shailendra's PDF):

Ch.1: interview (q/a)

Ch.2: morning talk + 2 questions + meditation (3 stages). In the end: "We will not be able to use meditation tomorrow morning, because the audience is so crowded, entering inside, then it is not possible... Tomorrow, meditation will not be used in the morning, there will be discussion in the morning, I will talk about what you ask about meditation." "Whatever has happened, and many friends have happened a lot, you worked harder than yesterday." "Our morning meeting was over."

Ch.3: "Friends who want to ask anything in this regard, they will give it in writing tomorrow." (this sentence is from audio, which missing in Shailendra's PDF)

Ch.4: morning talk. "So here in these three days, in the morning at this hour, we will take a little dip on the journey of non-doing." "Three sutras for this preparation. These are just role sources. In this role, meditation can descend. The first sutra is what I call: the flowing feeling." Meditation experiement on this sutra. "The second sutra is: the matter of not happening, not happening, disappearing." Med. experiement. "The third sutra is for acceptance, total acceptance." Third med. experiement. "In this regard, if you have any questions, curiosities regarding meditation, you will give it by writing tomorrow morning. Here, for three days, the experiment that we will be able to understand, you are doing with this thought. But would not think that if it was done here for three days, then the matter was over." "Our morning meeting was over."

Ch.5: talk disturbed in beginning. "Let me explain my point with a short story. I have heard, a thief entered a man's house one dark night. His wife woke up and said to her husband, it seems that a thief has entered the house. That husband lying on his bed asked, who is it? The thief said, no one. That husband slept back. The night was stolen. In the morning his wife said..."

Ch.6: ends "You listened to my words with so much love and peace in these four days, I am deeply grateful to him."

Ch.7: "Yesterday I was telling a short story. I was saying, a thief entered a man's house. His wife has told the man, it seems there is a thief. So the man got up and went to that cell and asked, who is it? The thief said, no one! Nobody, sir! The man came back to sleep. When there is no one, there is no need to bother in vain." (Reference to ch.5) Ends by "But let us search for life from many dimensions, from many dimensions, perhaps from some corner your thirst will be aroused. And if the thirst is awakened then what to do, I will talk to you tomorrow in that regard. If there is no thirst, then there is no question of doing it. If you are thirsty, then something can be done. The lake is near, those who are thirsty will get it immediately. Those who are not thirsty - the lake is right behind the house - but those who are not thirsty can never be found."

Ch.8: "The first sutra I ask you to remember is that sometime in your life, sometime in the evening, stop and see what is found in this life. Just ask - by yourself, not by anyone else." "So the second source tells you that there is nothing in life, there is nothing in life. Don't get caught trying to make something happen in life...... This second sutra is also very important in the mind building of a religious person, that we should pass in life as if a person goes through water and water does not touch his feet..... That's why the second sutra is asking for your eligibility: Don't hold life, let it flow." "The third sutra I want to tell you is that what we see, what we hear, what we understand, is not everything. There is a lot that we don't see. There is a lot that we do not hear. There is much that we do not understand. This is also fair... Therefore, the third sutra tells you that what you see, to say, I can see till there; I won't see it next. Whoever comes in my hand, he is in my grip; I do not get ahead, I will not, I cannot take any decision..... That's why the third sutra tells you to keep on exploring the mystery every moment. Even when sun rises in the morning, find out where the mystery lies?... The third sutra is most important that your life be able to discover the secret." "These three sources tell you. Spread these formulas in a little life. And you will suddenly find that every day God is going to be your neighbor."

Ch.9:

Ch.10: the talk disturbed in the end --DhyanAntar 18:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

media status

To start the ball rolling on this, osho.com offers all ten titles but package them as "nine items", with a price tag of Rs 800. Since they are usually 100 each, with no quantity discounts, this is a bit puzzling but whatever. There are nine items because they have run #5 and #6 together as one item of 79 minutes. The others range from 47 to 90 minutes, and almost all have sound quality or parts missing issues. Basic Hindi research still needs to be done on this. -- doofus-9 18:30, 21 February 2019 (UTC)