Talk:Suspect ISBN numbers

these numbers have of course never been issued by the Russian Book Chamber which is the ISBN authority in Russia to more than one book.

see http://www.bookchamber.ru

is it possibele to search for ISBN numbers there ? that way we could find out who the number 5-7135-0046-2 was originally issued to, provided it was actually issued. --Rudra (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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searching the Global Register of Publishers shows this:

Publisher: Kniga

Country: Russian Federation

Agency Name: Russia

ISBN Prefix: 978-5-7135-

Status: ACTIVE

Address: Chelyabinsk ul. Posty`sheva, 2

Admin Contact Name: V.M. Afanasovich

Admin Phone: 7-(351) 264-98-48

Admin Fax: 7-(351) 264-98-48

so any other publisher using that prefix is suspect.--Rudra (talk) 00:39, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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searching the Kniga catalog shows that the ISBN number 5-7135-0046-2 is for Сборник буддийских молитв на каждый день--Rudra (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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hmmm, looks like Nirvana is only involved in one of the suspect ISBNs (5-7135-0046-9)

Nirvana's details in the Global Registry are:

Publisher: Soldatov Aleksandr Valentinovich

Country: Russian Federation

Agency Name: Russia

ISBN Prefix: 978-5-94726

Status: ACTIVE

Address: Moscow ul. Ae`rodromnaya, d. 12, korp. 1, kv. 16

Admin Contact Name: A.V. Soldatov

Admin Phone: 7-(495) 492-57-92

Admin Email: osho@inbox.ru.

i did send Prayas an email to this address, but had no response.

i am starting to suspect that the problem we see is two fold:

• some publishers are using fake numbers for god knows what insane reason
• and the ISBN numbers we see in online shops are there due to some serious database corruptions in the shop catalogs

--Rudra (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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forgot to mention - let's just list Osho books with suspect numbers here. there might be thousands of fake ISBNs in the Russian book scene, but we don't have to deal with them all. ;) --Rudra (talk) 16:17, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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Hurray! :-)

Do you suggest this page to use for reference and do not search specifically the root of the ISBN (like "5-7135-0046-")? I have to finish the search "5-7135-0046-" --DhyanAntar 16:37, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

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sorry, i don't understand the question. what i'm trying to say is, lets list Osho books here when they are involved with a suspect number. --Rudra (talk) 02:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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I want to ask we will not search specifically ISBN numbers in them that start with "5-7135-0046-" (for, example)? We will list any suspect ISBN numbers only inthe case when they identified themselves, won't we?--DhyanAntar 07:01, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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ah yes, on this page we will collect all suspect numbers from any language.--Rudra (talk) 15 February 2017 (UTC)

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change of plan: it looks like we only have Russian books with fake numbers (so far). so i moved the whole page over to Russian publications. --Rudra (talk) 06:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Questions:

1. Rudra, I have another asking :-) about editing in Febr. 20th by yourself. You removed ISBN 5-9550-0285-5 at all. I found some information that it is in the both books - O detjah (О детях) and Ричард Бах, Хроники Хорьков. Хорек-писатель в поисках музы, София, 2003:

1) http://search.rsl.ru/ru/search#q=isbn%3A5-9550-0285-5;

2) NLR - [1];

3) http://rbip.bookchamber.ru/SearchPublications.aspx.

2. Rudra, you said:

"searching the Kniga catalog shows that the ISBN number 5-7135-0046-2 is for Сборник буддийских молитв на каждый день--Rudra (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC)"

I couldn't find this information. My search isn't good like yours ones! Please, tell us links for 5-7135-0046-2 is for "Сборник буддийских молитв на каждый день". Are you sure that this book exist at all? The 2001 edition published by Nirvana - ISBN 5-7135-0046-5.

In 1994 publisher Kniga published at least two books (see 5-7135-0046-2).

--DhyanAntar 06:17, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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on this page we list only Russian books with fake numbers.

also, we only list ***BOOKS*** that have fake numbers. we do NOT care about websites at all. if they print fake numbers on their website, stop using the website.--Rudra (talk) 06:46, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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"if they print fake numbers on their website, stop using the website."

You says right. I agree with you. I can list some this sites. And, of course, I don't believe them.

we must to specify the checked data.

About second book ("Сборник буддийских молитв на каждый день") - I opened this book (in pdf) and know that ISBN of it is correct 5-7135-0046-5. Other ISBN 5-7135-0046-2 has on [2] and there are no other sources of this ISBN number. It is fake. For "Сборник буддийских молитв на каждый день" ISBN number is only 5-7135-0046-5. And if you don't mind I will correct it?

re q.1:

I just realized that ISBN 5-9550-0285-5 is right (correct). This question is closed.--DhyanAntar 13:16, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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is Nirvana/Soldatov/TriL/Prayas the only publisher (of Osho books) that uses fake/invalid/stolen ISBNs ?? --Rudra (talk) 17:46, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

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According to our research, as is evident from table "Suspects" until it is. I can't speak loudly, that only this publisher is using invalid and fake ISBN numbers. You didn't mention "Kniga", which has published books on behalf of Nirvana. I noticed that until about 2004 Nirvana used a fake number.

Look,

• Soldatov - legal name of the publisher Nirvana (sometimes Colophon states on Soldatov, sometimes - Nirvana; but very often on the back of the book is written in the book of Nirvana);

• Kniga - published books on behalf of Nirvana.

• Tri L - other legal name a publisher (of Nirvana?)

"Olimp" and "Jekstruzit (Экструзит)" also exists in the table, what attitude to Nirvana, I was not clear.

Veet Prayas is the person, on which the entire knot of Nirvana tied, as I see it now--DhyanAntar 04:01, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

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