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[Preliminary version of ''SKK's'' talk page, being at this point largely a copy of ''Trisha Gai's talk page:]
Dilip Sodha extracted and translated some info from 1969 ed.:


Table of Contents, based on Osho World's audiobook offering for ''Trisha Gai'':
:"शांति की खोज - Shanti Ki Khoj - Search (pursuit) Of Peace"
:1: शांति की खोज
:(आचार्य रजनीश के सानिध्य में - Acharya Rajneesh Ke Sanidhya Me - In the company of Acharya Rajneesh).
:2: सात चक्रों की साधना
:- उर्मिला, एम. ए. - Urmila, M. A.
:3: संकल्प की कुंजी
:4: सत्य की छाया है शांति
:5: सत्य की खोज
:6: परमात्मा की अनुभूति
:7: जागरण के तीन सूत्र


Dates for the talks are speculative but are not so unlikely. [[Sw Anand Neeten|Neeten's]] [http://www.oshosourcebook.com Osho Source Book] was the first source found to point the way:  
:भूमिका - Preface
:The period of January 1966 to March 1967 is very significant for me because in the course of one year and two months my inner life took a new turn.
:From many years a search was going on in my subconscious for the path to achieve God. That is why with great enthusiasm I used to read about lives of spiritual people like Ramkrishna Paramhans, Vivekanand, Maharshi Raman and Mahayogi Arvind so that from those books, a Sutra to walk on that path may come to my hand also but I always got disappointed after reading; because I couldn't understand by which technique they reached that higher altitude of spiritualism ....
:Life is passing in vain without any purpose - feeling of this matter was yet increasing the yearning of my mind.
:After March 1965 I became still more impatient by thinking that 35 years of life has passed and I don't have more time with me. So far no path is even seen - when I will start walking?....
:In August 1965 when I had to go to Calcutta for a special work, I met all my old friends. That time the founder of Rupa and Company Publication Institute Shree DD Mehra while handing over two small books had told: "You do read these books, I gift these books to all my friends." Earnestly I read the titles of those books, on one it was written "[[Krantibeej (क्रांतिबीज)|Kranti Beej]]" and other "[[Sadhana Path (साधना पथ)|Sadhana Path]]" (so these two editions must be before August, 1965). [Editor: yes, in Jan 1965 and Dec 1964 accordingly.] Name of the author was "Acharya Rajneesh". In the field of literature I had never heard this name. From the titles of the books I could not guess what kind of deliberations were there in them. Didn't get time to see (read) those books in Calcutta.
:On return to Lucknow my husband Rajendra ji told that we would be leaving Lucknow in few days as he was getting a transfer to other place. I was not surprised to this because it's the speciality of the military life that at any place we can't stay for long. I got busy in packing of the luggage. But I have an old habit of reading in the morning. But then I thought in this hasty time any serious study can not be done, so why not turn the pages of "Kranti Beej" only and see what is written in that. After giving a quick glance on the first page I started reading very attentively. When in two-three days I completed reading of more than half of the book I concluded that the author of it can not be an ordinary pundit, the incredible insight towards life can only be of a high spiritual soul. My heart cried out that I was in the search of only such great soul and from him I would be able to know what should I do - leading to the spiritual path. But who is Acharya Rajneesh? Where does he stay? - I didn't know anything about it. ....
:Meanwhile it was known that our transfer was to Jabalpur and Mehra Saheb informed that Acharya Rajneesh is staying at Jabalpur and he is a in Department of Philosophy of Jabalpur University.


In his Jabalpur section, he cites a quote from chap 1 of ''Trisha Gai'' dated Jan 1969. And in his Appendix, a mention of four discourses titled ''Shanti Ki Khoj'' from Jan 30 to Feb 2 of that year given in Bombay. Clearly this is not the "Shanti Ki Khoj" of talks with [[Ma Anand Urmila]] in Jabalpur in 1966-67. And noting that "Shanti Ki Khoj" is the title of the first chapter of ''Trisha Gai'', it is highly suggestive of talks for the book at least starting then.  
:PAGE 6: (1st Meeting at University)
:What a strange coincidence that I am also going to Jabalpur. After reaching there I wrote a letter to him on seventh or eighth January that I want to meet him. But at that time he had gone out of station. Hence on 21st January in his reply which I received; reflected his cordiality. On reading the letter I reached Mahakaushal University in the afternoon, but the students told me that Acharya Ji stays there only till twelve o'clock. I on next day on Saturday, 23rd January 1966; started waiting for him by reaching at 10 AM itself. I was feeling discomfort in the mind that today too there could be no meeting with him, but he reached there at 11 o'clock. After NAMASKAR I introduced myself. .... [It seems Urmila refers to ''[[Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर)]]'' letter #43 dated 12 Jan 1966 om.]


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:PAGE 9 Last Para: (2nd Meeting at Yogesh Bhavan)
The translation ''[[The Search for Peace]]'' says: "Extemporaneous talks given by Osho in Mumbai, India". And the translation has 4 chapters. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 18:29, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
:Second time my meeting with Acharya Ji happened after eight days, when he returned from Surat Tour. (This indicates that Osho was tour to Surat / Gujarat in the last week of January 1966). .... [Editor: according letter to Urmila (''[[Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर)]]'' #43 on 12 Jan 1966) Osho was going to Surat on 23-27 Jan including rail-traveling time. In a little latter letter, [[Letter written on 20 Jan 1966 xm]], he was going to Nandurbar and maybe Jalgaon (both in MH). It seems source of Urmila about Surat is letter to her. And it seems Surat was replaced by Nandurdar and Jalgaon.]
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Since "Shanti Ki Khoj" basically translates as "The Search for Peace", this should just about nail it, except ''Search for Peace'' and "Shanti Ki Khoj" (as pointed to in Neeten's Appendix) have only four discourses / chapters. Okay, we can say that that covers four of the seven chapters of ''Trisha Gai'', but what about the other three?


We can consider chapter titles. Translated chapter titles are not often faithful to their original titles but ya never know. Below are rough translations of ''Trisha Gai's'' seven titles above. Do they (four of them, maybe the first four) resemble those in ''Search for Peace''?
:PAGE 10 Last Para (3rd Meeting at her own house) to PAGE 23 Last Para
:Next day Acharya Ji reached our house at the agreed time. (Osho explains her how to meditate —- she tries, faces difficulties, consults Osho again and again .... She goes for her sister's daughter marriage for one month after asking Osho. Feels uncomfortable to meditate at the sister's place. But feels much better after reading "Path Ke Pradeep")
:In February 1967 my husband got transferred to Poona. I became busy again in packing of the luggage. Because of the change of place my routine got disturbed. The progress that happened in one year, stopped suddenly. .... (Narrates the ups and down faced in the path leading to Spiritual Path and how all may not be so fortunate to get the help of a guide like Osho.)


:1: Search for Peace
:She concludes the preface in last para of page 25 and 26:
:2: Meditation on the Seven Chakras
:I can't claim to know something in the field of spiritualism. I didn't attained to self-knowledge, only have experienced the self-darkness (ignorance). I have a full confidence that - this feeling of ignorance itself would bring me face to face with the knowledge (GYAN). How much encouragement is received by ignorant people like me from these holy words of Osho: "The first awakening of the knowledge is that I don't know myself.... This is a point of transition from ignorance to knowledge ....
:3: The Key to Resolution
:This feeling (बोध - Bodh) that I am and this feeling that I don't know even myself in reality is half self-consciousness. The self-consciousness would get completed only when I know that who am I? This half self-consciousness is to be fulfilled..... the feeling of self-ignorance is the first step to own fulfilment."
:4: Peace is the Shadow of Truth
:5: Search for Truth
:6: Experience of the Divine
:7: Three Sutras for Awakening


FWIW, "Search for Truth" shows up in Neeten's Appendix as a single discourse ("Satya Ki Khoj") on Oct 2, 1968 in Mulund, a 'burb of Mumbai, but neither of the last two show up anywhere. May not mean anything, as search for truth is a fairly common theme. -- doofus-9 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
:NOTES:
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:1. The PDF book doesn't show year of publication. It is 1969 (Oct-Nov) as per the Wiki page. In the 14 chapters Urmila is narrating what Osho said in the intimate talk with her.
:2. Please refer to 'PREM KE SWAR' Letter Nos: 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52 written by Osho to Urmila for the related information.


Indeed, ''The Search for Peace'' seems to contain the first four chapters of this book. For the TOC see [[Talk:The Search for Peace]].  
:In the letter no. 48 (dated 19 June 1967) published in '[[Talk:Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर)|PREM KE SWAR]]' Osho has enquired: "लिखी जा रही पुस्तक का क्या हुआ? उसे जल्दी ही पूरा कर डालो। - What happened to the book being written? Do complete it very soon."


Chapter titles 2 - 4 are about the same, chapter one's title is different but starts with a lot of talk about peace. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 20:34, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Above cannot bring light on dates of talks printed in the book.--DhyanAntar 06:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 
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About ''Prem Ke Swar'' #43 Shailendraji commented:
===Apr 2017 Update===
:The letter written by Urmila on 7 Jan.
 
:Osho received and replied to it on 12 Jan.
Source for the TOC above was not noted but we can say that as of Apr 2017, Osho World's audiobook offering does have these seven titles, so at the very least, it can stand in for them. We can also note that osho.com's audiobook offering only has the first four, the group relating to "Shanti Ki Khoj". Taken together with the four-chapter translation ''[[The Search for Peace]]'' and Neeten's citation of four talks collectively called ''Shanti Ki Khoj'', we have a fairly solid basis for going with a suggestion from [[Sw Shailendra Saraswati|Shailendra]] that ''SKK'' was in fact the original title of ''Trisha Gai''.  
:His letter reached Urmila on 21 Jan.
:She went to university on same date, but by that time osho has left
:22 Jan was Sunday
:Therefore she went again on 23 Jan and discussed with him.


So much so that i think we should run with it, even though there is already another book with that title. -- doofus-9 05:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
--DhyanAntar 06:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:50, 18 January 2021

Dilip Sodha extracted and translated some info from 1969 ed.:

"शांति की खोज - Shanti Ki Khoj - Search (pursuit) Of Peace"
(आचार्य रजनीश के सानिध्य में - Acharya Rajneesh Ke Sanidhya Me - In the company of Acharya Rajneesh).
- उर्मिला, एम. ए. - Urmila, M. A.
भूमिका - Preface
The period of January 1966 to March 1967 is very significant for me because in the course of one year and two months my inner life took a new turn.
From many years a search was going on in my subconscious for the path to achieve God. That is why with great enthusiasm I used to read about lives of spiritual people like Ramkrishna Paramhans, Vivekanand, Maharshi Raman and Mahayogi Arvind so that from those books, a Sutra to walk on that path may come to my hand also but I always got disappointed after reading; because I couldn't understand by which technique they reached that higher altitude of spiritualism ....
Life is passing in vain without any purpose - feeling of this matter was yet increasing the yearning of my mind.
After March 1965 I became still more impatient by thinking that 35 years of life has passed and I don't have more time with me. So far no path is even seen - when I will start walking?....
In August 1965 when I had to go to Calcutta for a special work, I met all my old friends. That time the founder of Rupa and Company Publication Institute Shree DD Mehra while handing over two small books had told: "You do read these books, I gift these books to all my friends." Earnestly I read the titles of those books, on one it was written "Kranti Beej" and other "Sadhana Path" (so these two editions must be before August, 1965). [Editor: yes, in Jan 1965 and Dec 1964 accordingly.] Name of the author was "Acharya Rajneesh". In the field of literature I had never heard this name. From the titles of the books I could not guess what kind of deliberations were there in them. Didn't get time to see (read) those books in Calcutta.
On return to Lucknow my husband Rajendra ji told that we would be leaving Lucknow in few days as he was getting a transfer to other place. I was not surprised to this because it's the speciality of the military life that at any place we can't stay for long. I got busy in packing of the luggage. But I have an old habit of reading in the morning. But then I thought in this hasty time any serious study can not be done, so why not turn the pages of "Kranti Beej" only and see what is written in that. After giving a quick glance on the first page I started reading very attentively. When in two-three days I completed reading of more than half of the book I concluded that the author of it can not be an ordinary pundit, the incredible insight towards life can only be of a high spiritual soul. My heart cried out that I was in the search of only such great soul and from him I would be able to know what should I do - leading to the spiritual path. But who is Acharya Rajneesh? Where does he stay? - I didn't know anything about it. ....
Meanwhile it was known that our transfer was to Jabalpur and Mehra Saheb informed that Acharya Rajneesh is staying at Jabalpur and he is a in Department of Philosophy of Jabalpur University.
PAGE 6: (1st Meeting at University)
What a strange coincidence that I am also going to Jabalpur. After reaching there I wrote a letter to him on seventh or eighth January that I want to meet him. But at that time he had gone out of station. Hence on 21st January in his reply which I received; reflected his cordiality. On reading the letter I reached Mahakaushal University in the afternoon, but the students told me that Acharya Ji stays there only till twelve o'clock. I on next day on Saturday, 23rd January 1966; started waiting for him by reaching at 10 AM itself. I was feeling discomfort in the mind that today too there could be no meeting with him, but he reached there at 11 o'clock. After NAMASKAR I introduced myself. .... [It seems Urmila refers to Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर) letter #43 dated 12 Jan 1966 om.]
PAGE 9 Last Para: (2nd Meeting at Yogesh Bhavan)
Second time my meeting with Acharya Ji happened after eight days, when he returned from Surat Tour. (This indicates that Osho was tour to Surat / Gujarat in the last week of January 1966). .... [Editor: according letter to Urmila (Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर) #43 on 12 Jan 1966) Osho was going to Surat on 23-27 Jan including rail-traveling time. In a little latter letter, Letter written on 20 Jan 1966 xm, he was going to Nandurbar and maybe Jalgaon (both in MH). It seems source of Urmila about Surat is letter to her. And it seems Surat was replaced by Nandurdar and Jalgaon.]
PAGE 10 Last Para (3rd Meeting at her own house) to PAGE 23 Last Para
Next day Acharya Ji reached our house at the agreed time. (Osho explains her how to meditate —- she tries, faces difficulties, consults Osho again and again .... She goes for her sister's daughter marriage for one month after asking Osho. Feels uncomfortable to meditate at the sister's place. But feels much better after reading "Path Ke Pradeep")
In February 1967 my husband got transferred to Poona. I became busy again in packing of the luggage. Because of the change of place my routine got disturbed. The progress that happened in one year, stopped suddenly. .... (Narrates the ups and down faced in the path leading to Spiritual Path and how all may not be so fortunate to get the help of a guide like Osho.)
She concludes the preface in last para of page 25 and 26:
I can't claim to know something in the field of spiritualism. I didn't attained to self-knowledge, only have experienced the self-darkness (ignorance). I have a full confidence that - this feeling of ignorance itself would bring me face to face with the knowledge (GYAN). How much encouragement is received by ignorant people like me from these holy words of Osho: "The first awakening of the knowledge is that I don't know myself.... This is a point of transition from ignorance to knowledge ....
This feeling (बोध - Bodh) that I am and this feeling that I don't know even myself in reality is half self-consciousness. The self-consciousness would get completed only when I know that who am I? This half self-consciousness is to be fulfilled..... the feeling of self-ignorance is the first step to own fulfilment."
NOTES:
1. The PDF book doesn't show year of publication. It is 1969 (Oct-Nov) as per the Wiki page. In the 14 chapters Urmila is narrating what Osho said in the intimate talk with her.
2. Please refer to 'PREM KE SWAR' Letter Nos: 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52 written by Osho to Urmila for the related information.
In the letter no. 48 (dated 19 June 1967) published in 'PREM KE SWAR' Osho has enquired: "लिखी जा रही पुस्तक का क्या हुआ? उसे जल्दी ही पूरा कर डालो। - What happened to the book being written? Do complete it very soon."

Above cannot bring light on dates of talks printed in the book.--DhyanAntar 06:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

About Prem Ke Swar #43 Shailendraji commented:

The letter written by Urmila on 7 Jan.
Osho received and replied to it on 12 Jan.
His letter reached Urmila on 21 Jan.
She went to university on same date, but by that time osho has left
22 Jan was Sunday
Therefore she went again on 23 Jan and discussed with him.

--DhyanAntar 06:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


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