Talk:Prabhu Mandir Ke Dwar Par (प्रभु मंदिर के द्वार पर)

This book was first added on the basis of a significant new source, "Doc X," whose accuracy is not 100%. Thus, info was provisional. Later, it has come to look like this was one of Doc X's inaccuracies. The dates it attributed to Prabhu Mandir were Oct 30 to Nov 3, 1968, at a camp at Nargol GJ. Another similarly named series, Prabhu Ki Pagdandiyan (प्रभु की पगडंडियां), has come forward to take that slot, based on a more thorough source, Neeten (see Osho Source Book link at his page). But Neeten is not entirely consistent. As well, a partial e-book for Prabhu Mandir has been found which has some date and place info.

The series' existence was never in doubt, as there are various audio offerings, but its time and place info is still fairly uncertain. Below we will consider Neeten and the e-book to attempt to arrive at a best guess. Neeten's Appendix section has three relevant entries:

Prabhu Mandir Ke Dwar par. 10-13.06.1967. 10 talks. Chanda & Ahmedabad.

Prabhu Mandir Ke Dwar par. 31.10-03.11.1968. 6 talks. Nargol camp.

Prabhu Ki Pagdandiyaan. 31.10-03.11.1969. 7 talks. Nargol camp.

Since the second and third entries have the exact same days, just different years, one may well raise one's eyebrows. In fact, the 1969 dates conflict with both a well-known camp at Dwarka, Main Mrityu Sikhata Hoon (मैं मृत्‍यु सिखाता हूं), and with Neeten's extensive text in his Jabalpur section. That text seems reliable as it incorporates several sources, and it has the Pagdandiyan talks at the 1968 Nargol camp, from Oct 30 to Nov 3, exactly the dates of Doc X, just a different Prabhu series. FWIW, Doc X does not mention Pagdandiyan at all.

It looks sensible to put Pagdandiyan into the 1968 Nargol camp but where does that leave poor Prabhu Mandir? Possibly not too lost, it turns out. There are still salvageable bits in the first two entries: The first has ten talks in four days at two wildly separated locations. It is clear that it is just partial. The second has SIX talks somewhere somewhen. I submit that, leaving out the info that doesn't fit, both these entries can be made to work with the info from the e-book to produce a somewhat coherent picture, possibly even not far from complete. Below are the e-book data, with chapter titles transliterated, and pages where found:

Ch 1 Samagrata Hai Dwar p 1 ... Ahmedabad Jun 8, 1969 ratri p 19

Ch 2 Pravah Shilata Hai Dwar p 19 ... Ahmedabad Jun 9, 1969 suvaha p 34

Ch 3 Tulana Rahitta Hai Dwar p 34 ... Jun 9, 1969 ratri p 53

Ch 4 Dhyan Hai Dwar p 53 ... Ahmedabad Jun 10, 1969 suvaha p 68

Ch 5 Sakshi Bhav Hai Dwar p 68 ... Ahmedabad Jun 10, 1969, shama p 85

Ch 6 Jeevan Hai Dwar p 85 ... ends (prematurely?) at p 97, no date or place

These data collectively place the first five chapters at Jun 8-10, 1969 in Ahmedabad. (Location for ch 3 is not given but it can hardly be anywhere else). Ch 6 is anyone's guess, but it would not be unreasonable to suppose Ahmedabad, leaving four other discourses to be placed. Remembering "10-13.06.1967. 10 talks. Chanda & Ahmedabad," we have four days, four discourses and that other place, Chanda (now known as Chandrapur, in Eastern Maharashtra). That looks like a good enough fit to be at least provisional, though the data certainly are fragmentary.

We cannot leave this without acknowledging another matter which makes separating the two Prabhus more difficult, revolving around titles and themes. "Prabhu Mandir Ke Dwar Par" means, "On the Door to the Temple of God." That the theme is a strong one is reflected in the chapter titles above: "Totality is a door," "Meditation is a door," "Life is a door" and so on.

Then we have four of the seven chapter titles of Pagdandiyan taking the form of "First door to the temple of God: Compassion," "Second door to the temple of God: Friendship," and so on. The titles' thematic resonance is so strong, one could be forgiven for thinking they are the same book, especially given all the confusion with dates. And maybe they really are the same book! But in the end, the audio sites are unanimous in considering them as different, and they at least have access to the original words. Tao Vision, the most thorough arbiter of multi-volume series and such things, has Pagdandiyan as a seven-discourse series and a subset of Sadhana Path (साधना पथ) but Prabhu Mandir is all on its own, with ten discourses. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 22:31, 4 December 2014 (PST)