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Regarding the dates suggested for ''Nari'', 1969 comes more from the general vintage of books it is associated with rather than any hard facts, so it may be an assumption in error. In fact, [[Sw Anand Neeten|Neeten]] (see Osho Source Book link at his page) has indicated 1965 as the date for a couple of the discourses, but with a question mark, so the least we can do is add a question mark to 1969. | |||
Publishing anomalies and variations there are a-plenty for this book, at at least for the two publishers which came post-Rebel. Both publishers even have more than one cover design. We'll start with Diamond. | Publishing anomalies and variations there are a-plenty for this book, at at least for the two publishers which came post-Rebel. Both publishers even have more than one cover design. We'll start with Diamond. | ||
Diamond's two covers appeared at first to be associated with different formats, the primary (bigger image) one with hardback and the secondary one with a paperback edition. But that information turned out to be inconsistent. As did the pub dates, with both 2000 and 2008 associated with the second. A curious and major inconsistency turned up in the TOC available at G**gle Books for this one, and for a bonus twist, an inconsistency in that inconsistency. In the version of G**gle Books i got directly from my search, there was no TOC displayed at all, but at a third-party site, a blog, the blogger had his own version of G**gle Books posted which did include a TOC, where the chapter titles were different from audio titles (see below) and there were only four of them, as opposed to six for the audios. One last and fairly trivial variability is in the spelling of the title and subtitle in Devanagari: Both Kranti and the "Aur" in the subtitle come in a couple of different ways, but may be fairly interchangeable in terms of search results. | Diamond's two covers appeared at first to be associated with different formats, the primary (bigger image) one with hardback and the secondary one with a paperback edition. But that information turned out to be inconsistent. As did the pub dates, with both 2000 and 2008 associated with the second. A curious and major inconsistency turned up in the TOC available at G**gle Books for this one, and for a bonus twist, an inconsistency in that inconsistency. In the version of G**gle Books i got directly from my search, there was no TOC displayed at all, but at a third-party site, a blog, the blogger had his own version of G**gle Books posted which did include a TOC, where the chapter titles were different from audio titles (see below) and there were only four of them, as opposed to six for the audios. One last and fairly trivial variability is in the spelling of the title and subtitle in Devanagari: Both "Kranti" and the "Aur" in the subtitle come in a couple of different ways, but may be fairly interchangeable in terms of search results. | ||
All that aside, the most interesting curiosity of the Diamond edition was for a while its subtitle, "Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur-3." Those who have been around the block with Osho's titles will recognise this as the classic original Hindi title of ''[[From Sex to Superconsciousness]]''. But what is this "-3" all about? And what does this book have to do with [[Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur (संभोग से समाधि की ओर)|''Sambhog'']]? Plenty, as it turns out. | |||
There is a similar subtitle attached to ''[[Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र)]]'', only it's "-4", which also caused considerable confusion when researching that book. Parts 1 and 2 have also now been found, with G**gle inside-the-book TOCs for all of them matching up, more or less, with the 18-chapter TOC of [[Talk:Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur (संभोग से समाधि की ओर)|''Sambhog'']]. | |||
However, there is a caveat with this ''Sambhog'' connection, arising from three considerations: 1) The amalgamation of the four smaller volumes, of which ''Nari'' is one, under ''Sambhog's'' title has only been done by Diamond as far as is known. 2) Diamond has also "gone it alone" regarding ''Nari's'' chapter titles, as seen below, ie they don't match up with audio titles or numbers. 3) Diamond has done this with ''JKKS'' as well, in fact going even further by using titles for their version of ''JKKS'' which belong to another book, according to osho.com. Details for all this can be found in the relevant discussion pages. Just a little something to be alert about. | |||
Moving on to the Hind edition(s), there is not so much variability there but still a little. The alt-cover was found only once but maybe that was because i didn't go everywhere. On that one occasion, the publisher was named as Full Circle, the parent company of Hind. Oh well, no big deal there. The subtitle is a mouthful but has no associations or anomalies. So that's it for now. -- updated [[User:Sarlo| | Moving on to the Hind edition(s), there is not so much variability there but still a little. The alt-cover was found only once but maybe that was because i didn't go everywhere. On that one occasion, the publisher was named as Full Circle, the parent company of Hind. Oh well, no big deal there. The subtitle is a mouthful but has no associations or anomalies. So that's it for now. -- updated [[User:Sarlo|doofus-9]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 07:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Revision as of 07:48, 29 March 2015
Regarding the dates suggested for Nari, 1969 comes more from the general vintage of books it is associated with rather than any hard facts, so it may be an assumption in error. In fact, Neeten (see Osho Source Book link at his page) has indicated 1965 as the date for a couple of the discourses, but with a question mark, so the least we can do is add a question mark to 1969.
Publishing anomalies and variations there are a-plenty for this book, at at least for the two publishers which came post-Rebel. Both publishers even have more than one cover design. We'll start with Diamond.
Diamond's two covers appeared at first to be associated with different formats, the primary (bigger image) one with hardback and the secondary one with a paperback edition. But that information turned out to be inconsistent. As did the pub dates, with both 2000 and 2008 associated with the second. A curious and major inconsistency turned up in the TOC available at G**gle Books for this one, and for a bonus twist, an inconsistency in that inconsistency. In the version of G**gle Books i got directly from my search, there was no TOC displayed at all, but at a third-party site, a blog, the blogger had his own version of G**gle Books posted which did include a TOC, where the chapter titles were different from audio titles (see below) and there were only four of them, as opposed to six for the audios. One last and fairly trivial variability is in the spelling of the title and subtitle in Devanagari: Both "Kranti" and the "Aur" in the subtitle come in a couple of different ways, but may be fairly interchangeable in terms of search results.
All that aside, the most interesting curiosity of the Diamond edition was for a while its subtitle, "Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur-3." Those who have been around the block with Osho's titles will recognise this as the classic original Hindi title of From Sex to Superconsciousness. But what is this "-3" all about? And what does this book have to do with Sambhog? Plenty, as it turns out.
There is a similar subtitle attached to Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र), only it's "-4", which also caused considerable confusion when researching that book. Parts 1 and 2 have also now been found, with G**gle inside-the-book TOCs for all of them matching up, more or less, with the 18-chapter TOC of Sambhog.
However, there is a caveat with this Sambhog connection, arising from three considerations: 1) The amalgamation of the four smaller volumes, of which Nari is one, under Sambhog's title has only been done by Diamond as far as is known. 2) Diamond has also "gone it alone" regarding Nari's chapter titles, as seen below, ie they don't match up with audio titles or numbers. 3) Diamond has done this with JKKS as well, in fact going even further by using titles for their version of JKKS which belong to another book, according to osho.com. Details for all this can be found in the relevant discussion pages. Just a little something to be alert about.
Moving on to the Hind edition(s), there is not so much variability there but still a little. The alt-cover was found only once but maybe that was because i didn't go everywhere. On that one occasion, the publisher was named as Full Circle, the parent company of Hind. Oh well, no big deal there. The subtitle is a mouthful but has no associations or anomalies. So that's it for now. -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 07:48, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Left in the table below are the audio discourse titles, and right, the titles in the four-chapter Nari Diamond TOC and in Sambhog. Note that no title in either column correlates with any in the other column.
audio discourse titles:
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Diamond pb titles:
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