Ma Tzu The Empty Mirror ~ 08

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event type discourse & meditation
date & time 23 Sep 1988 pm
location Gautam the Buddha Auditorium, Pune
language English
audio Available, duration 2h 4min. Quality: good.
Osho leading meditation from 1:45:18.
Live music after the discourse.
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video Available, duration 2h 14min. Quality: good.
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shorttitle MATZU08
Reader of the sutras: Ma Prem Maneesha. Questions are being read by Osho himself.
After discourse Osho leads No-Mind Meditation.
The sutras
A monk once drew four lines in front of Ma Tzu. The top line was long and the remaining three were short. He then demanded of the master, "Besides saying that one line is long and the other three are short, what else could you say?"
Ma Tzu drew one line on the ground and said, "This could be called either long or short. That is my answer."
On another occasion, a monk said to Ma Tzu, "What is the meaning of Bodhidharma's coming from the West?"
Ma Tzu replied, "At this moment, what do you mean by 'meaning'?"
Again the monk asked the question, and Ma Tzu struck him, saying, "If I didn't strike you, people would laugh at me."
E of Rokutan asked Ma Tzu the same question about Bodhidharma's coming from the West.
Ma Tzu said, "Lower your voice and come a little nearer!"
E went nearer. Ma Tzu struck him once, and said, "Six ears do not have the same plan. Come another day."
Later, E went to the hall and said, "I implore you to tell me!"
Ma Tzu said to him, "Go away for a time and come to the hall again when you have a chance, and I'll publicly confirm it."
E thereupon was enlightened. He said, "I thank everybody for their confirmation," and marched round the hall once, and went off.
On a later occasion, another monk said to Ma Tzu, "Please transcend the four sayings and refrain from the hundred negations, and tell me the meaning of Bodhidharma's coming from the West."
Ma Tzu said, "Today I'm tired and I can't tell you. Go and ask Chizo."
The monk went and asked Chizo, who said, "Why don't you ask the master?"
"He told me to come and ask you," said the monk.
"I've got an awful headache today," said Chizo, "so I can't tell you; go and ask Hyakujo."
The monk then went to Hyakujo, who said, "Well, as to that, I myself really don't know."
The monk reported all this to Ma Tzu, who said, "Hyakujo's cap is black; Chizo's cap is white."

Question 1
Our Beloved Master, I don't know the meaning of Bodhidharma's coming from the West, but there does seem to be a significance in his taking the existential religion of Zen to the East, and you -- so many centuries later -- bringing it back again to contemporary man. Through the two of you, Zen has made a full circle. Are you in partnership with Bodhidharma?


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