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::Countrywide Program of Acharyashri | ::Countrywide Program of Acharyashri | ||
::Compilation: Natubhai Mehta | ::Compilation: Natubhai Mehta | ||
But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, | But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, attributing them to his sannyasins and then "answering" them. In the end, the information in the manuscripts is as reliable as anything else we're going to get about that era that hasn't otherwise been authenticated. And like other sources, it is fallible. | ||
These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing [[Osho Events | Timelines]] to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. See the Analysis below each section for details. | These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing [[Osho Events | Timelines]] to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. See the Analysis below each section for details. | ||
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| || <big>Sheets | | || <big>Sheets A-2 - A-4</big> -- (1967 - confirmed) || let's see about that | ||
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| 7-10 Apr | | 7-10 Apr || <big>Sheet A-2</big> -- evenings, Bombay, Lectures at Cross Maidan. Message: Love life and live it to its totality or total depths because in temple called life, God resides. || | ||
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| | | || and mornings, C J Hall - Q & A Message: Religion is only one and it is your real nature but we have caught hold of the finger pointing to the moon instead of looking at the Moon. || | ||
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| 11 Apr am || Poona, Hindvijay Theatre Lecture on the occasion of Mahavir Jayanti || | | 11 Apr am || Poona, Hindvijay Theatre Lecture on the occasion of Mahavir Jayanti || | ||
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| 11 Apr pm || Poona, Addressed large public meeting. Message: Ask seed of drop of water about secret of religion. || | | 11 Apr pm || <big>Sheet A-3</big> -- Poona, Addressed large public meeting. Message: Ask seed of drop of water about secret of religion. || | ||
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| 14 Apr pm || Jabalpur Lecture at meeting of Sindhi Society || | | 14 Apr pm || Jabalpur Lecture at meeting of Sindhi Society || | ||
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| 17 Apr pm || Jabalpur Lecture at Opening ceremony of Art exhibition. Message: One has to search, live and know religion and not try to search for it in religious literature. || | | 17 Apr pm || <big>Sheet A-4</big> -- Jabalpur Lecture at Opening ceremony of Art exhibition. Message: One has to search, live and know religion and not try to search for it in religious literature. || | ||
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| 22 Apr || Delhi, addressed the Servants of the People Society in Lala Lajpat Rai Bhavan. || | |||
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Analysis to come. | |||
The B group of sheets, next, also begins with four lines characterizing the collection. They are almost the same as those introducing the A sheets ... | |||
::News Department | |||
::Activation of the Wheel of Dharma | |||
::Countrywide Program of Acharyashri | |||
::Compilation: Jatu Bhai Mehta | |||
... but no cigar. | |||
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| || <big>Sheets B1 - ?</big> -- || | |||
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| 5 - 8 May|| <big>Sheet B-1</big> -- Indore, daily addressed a large public gathering in the courtyard of Rajwada || See Analysis below re "Rajwada". | |||
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| 7 May || Evening, Addressed members of Lions Clubs Indore. (In timeline this date conflicts Birla Krida Kendra Bombay). Message: Faith has killed religion || | |||
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| 8 May am || <big>Sheet B-2R</big> -- Indore, addressed a huge public gathering at Geetagyan Mandir (Ek naya dwar) || | |||
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Re "Rajwada": sheet B1 has it as राजबाडे, which transliterates to Rajbade, with "Rajwada" the rendering of our correspondent. This rendering is likely correct, as Rajwada is an iconic palace in Indore. |
Revision as of 08:32, 15 March 2019
A correspondent has shared his research into Osho's Manuscripts. Some of Osho's early writings have turned out to be fact-based accounts of his travels, speeches, and the events of the time. The research is organized into four batches, corresponding to the particular groups of manuscripts where info was found. All info presented is annotated, ie which sheet of the manuscripts it derives from is clearly indicated, so one can also study them for oneself. In some cases, Osho's notes contain the full text of early unpublished discourses, though not in this batch, which has some text but nothing like complete.
Other batches in this series are:
- (1) Manuscripts ~ Messages Timeline Extraction
- (2) Manuscripts ~ Notebooks Timeline Extraction
- (3) Manuscripts ~ Programmes Timeline Extraction
This batch, the fourth in the series, derives from a data-rich group of pages at Manuscripts ~ Reports, "Reports of Nation-Wide Programmes of Acharya Shri". One wondering that has been growing regarding these data-source manuscripts in general and which comes to a head with this batch in particular, is, "Is Osho really the author of these Reports, Programmes, etc?" Surely he would not refer to himself in the third person? Etc.
In fact, the first four lines of the first sheet in the batch declare, translated roughly:
- News Department
- Activation of the Wheel of Dharma
- Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
- Compilation: Natubhai Mehta
But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, attributing them to his sannyasins and then "answering" them. In the end, the information in the manuscripts is as reliable as anything else we're going to get about that era that hasn't otherwise been authenticated. And like other sources, it is fallible.
These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing Timelines to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. See the Analysis below each section for details.
Dates | Event Description and Notes | Wiki Notes, Comments |
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Sheets A-2 - A-4 -- (1967 - confirmed) | let's see about that | |
7-10 Apr | Sheet A-2 -- evenings, Bombay, Lectures at Cross Maidan. Message: Love life and live it to its totality or total depths because in temple called life, God resides. | |
and mornings, C J Hall - Q & A Message: Religion is only one and it is your real nature but we have caught hold of the finger pointing to the moon instead of looking at the Moon. | ||
11 Apr am | Poona, Hindvijay Theatre Lecture on the occasion of Mahavir Jayanti | |
11 Apr pm | Sheet A-3 -- Poona, Addressed large public meeting. Message: Ask seed of drop of water about secret of religion. | |
14 Apr pm | Jabalpur Lecture at meeting of Sindhi Society | |
17 Apr pm | Sheet A-4 -- Jabalpur Lecture at Opening ceremony of Art exhibition. Message: One has to search, live and know religion and not try to search for it in religious literature. | |
22 Apr | Delhi, addressed the Servants of the People Society in Lala Lajpat Rai Bhavan. |
Analysis to come.
The B group of sheets, next, also begins with four lines characterizing the collection. They are almost the same as those introducing the A sheets ...
- News Department
- Activation of the Wheel of Dharma
- Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
- Compilation: Jatu Bhai Mehta
... but no cigar.
Dates | Event Description and Notes | Wiki Notes, Comments |
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Sheets B1 - ? -- | ||
5 - 8 May | Sheet B-1 -- Indore, daily addressed a large public gathering in the courtyard of Rajwada | See Analysis below re "Rajwada". |
7 May | Evening, Addressed members of Lions Clubs Indore. (In timeline this date conflicts Birla Krida Kendra Bombay). Message: Faith has killed religion | |
8 May am | Sheet B-2R -- Indore, addressed a huge public gathering at Geetagyan Mandir (Ek naya dwar) |
Re "Rajwada": sheet B1 has it as राजबाडे, which transliterates to Rajbade, with "Rajwada" the rendering of our correspondent. This rendering is likely correct, as Rajwada is an iconic palace in Indore.