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But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, attributing them to his sannyasins and then "answering" them. In the end, the information in the manuscripts is as reliable as anything else we're going to get about that era that hasn't otherwise been authenticated. And like other sources, it is fallible.
But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, attributing them to his sannyasins and then "answering" them. In the end, the information in the manuscripts is as reliable as anything else we're going to get about that era that hasn't otherwise been authenticated. And like other sources, it is fallible.


These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing [[Osho Events | Timelines]] to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. See the Analysis below each section for details.  
These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing [[Osho Events | Timelines]] to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. And we note that a rough time frame has already been created at the top of [[Manuscripts ~ Reports]], bracketing each subgroup of sheets (there are five, from A to E), thusly:
:A: 7 - 22 Apr 1968
:B: 5 May - 29 Jul 1968
:C: 2 Aug - 20 Sep 1968
:D: 11 Nov 1968 - 18 Jan 1969
:E: 4 Feb - 2 Apr 1969
See the Analysis below each section for details.  
 
==A Sheets (A-2 to A-4)==


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! width="130" | Dates !! Event Description and Notes !! Wiki Notes, Comments
! width="130" | Dates !! Event Description and Notes !! Wiki Notes, Comments
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| || <big>Sheets A-2 - A-4</big> -- (1967 - confirmed) || let's see about that
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| 7-10 Apr || <big>Sheet A-2</big> -- evenings, Bombay, Lectures at Cross Maidan. Message: Love life and live it to its totality or total depths because in temple called life, God resides. ||
| 7-10 Apr || <big>Sheet A-2</big> -- evenings, Bombay, Lectures at Cross Maidan. Message: Love life and live it to its totality or total depths because in temple called life, God resides. ||
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Analysis to come.
===Analysis - A Sheets===
 
(to come)
 
==B Sheets (B-1 to B-?)==


The B group of sheets, next, also begins with four lines characterizing the collection. They are almost the same as those introducing the A sheets ...  
The B group of sheets, next, also begins with four lines characterizing the collection. They are almost the same as those introducing the A sheets ...  
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::Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
::Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
::Compilation: Jatu Bhai Mehta
::Compilation: Jatu Bhai Mehta
... but no cigar.
... but no cigar. We note the proximity on the keyboard of "J" and "N".




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| || <big>Sheets B1 - ?</big> --  ||  
| || <big>B Sheets (B1 - ?)</big> --  ||  
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| 5 - 8 May|| <big>Sheet B-1</big> -- Indore, daily addressed a large public gathering in the courtyard of Rajwada || See Analysis below re "Rajwada".  
| 5 - 8 May|| <big>Sheet B-1</big> -- Indore, daily addressed a large public gathering in the courtyard of Rajwada || See below re "Rajwada".  
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| 7 May || Evening, Addressed members of Lions Clubs Indore. (In timeline this date conflicts Birla Krida Kendra Bombay). Message: Faith has killed religion ||  
| 7 May || Evening, Addressed members of Lions Clubs Indore. (In timeline this date conflicts Birla Krida Kendra Bombay). Message: Faith has killed religion ||  
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| 8 May am || <big>Sheet B-2R</big> -- Indore, addressed a huge public gathering at Geetagyan Mandir (Ek naya dwar) ||
| 8 May am || <big>Sheet B-2R</big> -- Indore, addressed a huge public gathering at Geetagyan Mandir (Ek naya dwar) ||  
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| 13-15 May || Satsang in Damoh, ~60km NE of Jabalpur || May be some uncertainty deriving from "Jatu Bhai" re precise dates
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| 14 May pm|| <big>Sheet B-3R</big> -- Damoh Rotary Club, theme: Who am I? ||
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| 15 May am || a Jain temple in Damoh ||
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| 20-23 May || Bombay, large satsangs held in Cross Maidan ||
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| 30 May || <big>Sheet B-4R</big> -- Jabalpur, seminar organized by Jeevan Jagriti Kendra ||
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| 2-3 Jun || Matunga, Bombay, a large satsang ||
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| 5-7 Jun || <big>Sheet B-5R</big> -- Udaipur, Meditation camp ( Apane Mahi tatol – discourse as per timeline) ||
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| || (10th to 13th June 1967 Chandrapur- Prabhu Madir ke dwar on Timeline seems to be correct but on [[Doc_X_(source_document)]] it is Oct 30 to Nov 3, 68) ||
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| 13-14 Jun || (Chandrapur/Chanda) marriage of Daughter of Rekhchand ji Parakh and Sau Madan Kunwar Parakh – Susheela’s Marriage. Year is 1967 as far as my research is pointing to || See below re "Parakh"
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===Analysis - B Sheets===


Re "Rajwada": sheet B1 has it as राजबाडे, which transliterates to Rajbade, with "Rajwada" the rendering of our correspondent. This rendering is likely correct, as Rajwada is an iconic palace in Indore.
Re "Rajwada": sheet B1 has it as राजबाडे, which transliterates to Rajbade, with "Rajwada" the rendering of our correspondent. This rendering is likely correct, as Rajwada is an iconic palace in Indore.

Revision as of 20:36, 15 March 2019

A correspondent has shared his research into Osho's Manuscripts. Some of Osho's early writings have turned out to be fact-based accounts of his travels, speeches, and the events of the time. The research is organized into four batches, corresponding to the particular groups of manuscripts where info was found. All info presented is annotated, ie which sheet of the manuscripts it derives from is clearly indicated, so one can also study them for oneself. In some cases, Osho's notes contain the full text of early unpublished discourses, though not in this batch, which has some text but nothing like complete.

Other batches in this series are:

(1) Manuscripts ~ Messages Timeline Extraction
(2) Manuscripts ~ Notebooks Timeline Extraction
(3) Manuscripts ~ Programmes Timeline Extraction

This batch, the fourth in the series, derives from a data-rich group of pages at Manuscripts ~ Reports, "Reports of Nation-Wide Programmes of Acharya Shri". One wondering that has been growing regarding these data-source manuscripts in general and which comes to a head with this batch in particular, is, "Is Osho really the author of these Reports, Programmes, etc?" Surely he would not refer to himself in the third person? Etc.

In fact, the first four lines of the first sheet in the batch declare, translated roughly:

News Department
Activation of the Wheel of Dharma
Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
Compilation: Natubhai Mehta

But does it matter for our purposes here? Perhaps this Natubhai-ji did gather the information and Osho copied it here. Perhaps Natubhai gathered it and wrote it. Or perhaps Osho did it all in Natubhai's name, which may itself be made up. Osho is said to have attributed his writings to others many times, and in fact continued that "tradition" in his discourses by making up questions, attributing them to his sannyasins and then "answering" them. In the end, the information in the manuscripts is as reliable as anything else we're going to get about that era that hasn't otherwise been authenticated. And like other sources, it is fallible.

These manuscripts do not include the year, so we will need to compare with existing Timelines to see how they fit. Our correspondent has done some of this himself too. And we note that a rough time frame has already been created at the top of Manuscripts ~ Reports, bracketing each subgroup of sheets (there are five, from A to E), thusly:

A: 7 - 22 Apr 1968
B: 5 May - 29 Jul 1968
C: 2 Aug - 20 Sep 1968
D: 11 Nov 1968 - 18 Jan 1969
E: 4 Feb - 2 Apr 1969

See the Analysis below each section for details.

A Sheets (A-2 to A-4)

Dates Event Description and Notes Wiki Notes, Comments
7-10 Apr Sheet A-2 -- evenings, Bombay, Lectures at Cross Maidan. Message: Love life and live it to its totality or total depths because in temple called life, God resides.
and mornings, C J Hall - Q & A Message: Religion is only one and it is your real nature but we have caught hold of the finger pointing to the moon instead of looking at the Moon.
11 Apr am Poona, Hindvijay Theatre Lecture on the occasion of Mahavir Jayanti
11 Apr pm Sheet A-3 -- Poona, Addressed large public meeting. Message: Ask seed of drop of water about secret of religion.
14 Apr pm Jabalpur Lecture at meeting of Sindhi Society
17 Apr pm Sheet A-4 -- Jabalpur Lecture at Opening ceremony of Art exhibition. Message: One has to search, live and know religion and not try to search for it in religious literature.
22 Apr Delhi, addressed the Servants of the People Society in Lala Lajpat Rai Bhavan.

Analysis - A Sheets

(to come)

B Sheets (B-1 to B-?)

The B group of sheets, next, also begins with four lines characterizing the collection. They are almost the same as those introducing the A sheets ...

News Department
Activation of the Wheel of Dharma
Countrywide Program of Acharyashri
Compilation: Jatu Bhai Mehta

... but no cigar. We note the proximity on the keyboard of "J" and "N".


Dates Event Description and Notes Wiki Notes, Comments
B Sheets (B1 - ?) --
5 - 8 May Sheet B-1 -- Indore, daily addressed a large public gathering in the courtyard of Rajwada See below re "Rajwada".
7 May Evening, Addressed members of Lions Clubs Indore. (In timeline this date conflicts Birla Krida Kendra Bombay). Message: Faith has killed religion
8 May am Sheet B-2R -- Indore, addressed a huge public gathering at Geetagyan Mandir (Ek naya dwar)
13-15 May Satsang in Damoh, ~60km NE of Jabalpur May be some uncertainty deriving from "Jatu Bhai" re precise dates
14 May pm Sheet B-3R -- Damoh Rotary Club, theme: Who am I?
15 May am a Jain temple in Damoh
20-23 May Bombay, large satsangs held in Cross Maidan
30 May Sheet B-4R -- Jabalpur, seminar organized by Jeevan Jagriti Kendra
2-3 Jun Matunga, Bombay, a large satsang
5-7 Jun Sheet B-5R -- Udaipur, Meditation camp ( Apane Mahi tatol – discourse as per timeline)
(10th to 13th June 1967 Chandrapur- Prabhu Madir ke dwar on Timeline seems to be correct but on Doc_X_(source_document) it is Oct 30 to Nov 3, 68)
13-14 Jun (Chandrapur/Chanda) marriage of Daughter of Rekhchand ji Parakh and Sau Madan Kunwar Parakh – Susheela’s Marriage. Year is 1967 as far as my research is pointing to See below re "Parakh"

Analysis - B Sheets

Re "Rajwada": sheet B1 has it as राजबाडे, which transliterates to Rajbade, with "Rajwada" the rendering of our correspondent. This rendering is likely correct, as Rajwada is an iconic palace in Indore.