Talk:Jyon Ki Tyon Dhari Dinhi Chadariya (ज्यों की त्यों धरि दीन्हीं चदरिया)
Depending on the edition, this book consists of either five or thirteen discourses. Why the discrepancy? It is because the name is applied to two different but related series of talks given in 1970: the first five in Jul and/or Aug (or "Doc X" has it Sep 1-5) and the last eight in Nov (TREMO has it Nov 10-17 but the wiki currently relies on other sources which say Nov 9-16). There is no compelling reason to change any of that for now. The title given to the latter eight-discourse series in the wiki is Suli Upar Sej Piya Ki. There are very few references to this title around the net but enough to accept that the series MAY have been called that at one time, and not (re-)united with JKTDDC until later. Thus, a compelling case cannot yet be made for changing this dual-name thing. (Nor for keeping it for that matter, but there need be no hurry to change.)
Most Hindi audio sites do not mention SUSPK at all and say that JKTDDC has 13 discourses, but one site, Tao Vision, lists both in their Mahavir category thusly: Jyon Ki Tyon Dhari Dinhi Chadariya (Panch Mahavrat) (Jyon Ki Tyon Dhari Dinhi Chadariya), consisting of five discourses; and Jyon Ki Tyon Dhari Dinhi Chadariya (Panch Mahavrat) (Suli Upar Sej Piya Ki), consisting of eight discourses.
This "Panch Mahavrat" has some significance beyond its mere sameness in the listing of these two series by Tao Vision. For starters, it appears on all the book covers, as a subtitle. It is translated usually as Five Great Vows, a staple of Jainism referring to the five fairly serious resolves undertaken by Jain monks and nuns: non-violence, truthfulness, non-stealing, celibacy and non–attachment. Osho of course has his own take on this.
As it happens, the Panch Mahavrat are supplemented by five other thingies, Samitis or "carefulnesses," referring to principles or practices said to "purify" one's actions, and three Guptis or "preservations," said to inhibit sinful actions. Never mind the implied morality and strait-jacketing of this kind of language, can you see where i'm going with this? Yes! 5 + 5 + 3 = 13! Ha ha!
Not that he is devoting each discourse to a particular virtue, but the thread of 13-ness permeates this book. And the thread of virtues and "moral" principles, of course with Osho's unique vision applied. Here is the TOC:
प्रवचन 1 : अहिंसा -- Ahimsa (non-violence) प्रवचन 2 : अपरिग्रह -- Aparigraha (renunciation) प्रवचन 3 : अचौर्य -- Achaurya (non-stealing) प्रवचन 4 : अकाम -- Akam (non-doing) प्रवचन 5 : अप्रमाद -- Apramada (awareness) प्रवचन 6 : अहिंसा (प्रश्नोत्तर) -- Ahimsa (Q&A) प्रवचन 7 : ब्रह्मचर्य -- Brahmacharya (celibacy) प्रवचन 8 : अपरिग्रह (प्रश्नोत्तर) -- Aparigraha (Q&A) प्रवचन 9 : अचौर्य (प्रश्नोत्तर)य -- Achaurya (Q&A) प्रवचन 10 : संन्यास -- Sannyasa (retirement) प्रवचन 11 : अकाम (प्रश्नोत्तर) -- Akam (Q&A) प्रवचन 12 : तंत्र -- Tantra (methods) प्रवचन 13 : अप्रमाद (प्रश्नोत्तर) -- Apramada (Q&A)
All 13 discourses have been translated into English as a more or less unified whole, in The Art of Living, though the last eight are said to have been translated from SUSPK and only the first five from JKTDDC.
More to come -- Sarlo (talk) 09:30, 3 March 2014 (PST)
the Diamond edition shows the title written as ज्यों िक त्यों धरि दीन्हीं चदरिया , but they fixed that on the back --Rudra (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2014 (PST)
Good find re Diamond and Fusion numbers of pages. I think that settles how many chapters for those editions. Sarlo (talk) 23:38, 4 March 2014 (PST)
