Talk:Mati Kahai Kumhar Sun (माटी कहै कुम्हार सूं)
There is a lot of information about this book but mostly fragmentary, not in a coherent whole. As well, there is a great deal of inconsistency, and info leaking from one edition to another. Details about all the edition stuff follow, but first a couple of more general features, which also venture into inconsistency, and which may give an idea of how it's going to go with the editions.
Osho World and osho.com both have blurbs about the book but they seems to be talking about very different books. Osho World's blurb -- ओशो द्वारा दो साधना शिविरों में दिए गए ग्यारह अमृत प्रवचनों का संकलन -- refers to eleven discourses (not twelve) taken from two different meditation camps. The relevant portion of osho.com's blurb -- ध्यान साधना शिविर, जूनागढ़ में ध्यान-प्रयोगों एवं प्रश्नोत्तर सहित ओशो द्वारा दिए गए चार अमृत प्रवचनों का अपूर्व संकलन -- refers to a single camp at Junagadh, with only four discourses. Okay, must be different editions, with osho.com's much shorter, perhaps the 48-pager from Hephaestus. Not too difficult, is it? Let's see.
Regarding the editions, the 2003 Rebel edition is also attributed to the ever-mysterious Sadhana Foundation but only Sadhana has an ISBN and the two covers are different, though similar. I have not reproduced the Sadhana cover here since it has a bookseller's proprietary stamp on it.
Still nothing particularly weird about any of that. It is with the Hephaestus and Hind editions that we truly lurch into The Twilight Zone. Besides fairly common things like the pub date changing from one site to another (2011, 2014, unspecified), there is an unprecedented variation and leaking of ISBNs. Most sites, if they report an ISBN at all, will have both the ISBN10 and the ISBN13. Here we have two ISBN13's and two ISBN10's used by Hind for the same book and the same number(!) also used by Hephaestus, and they come in nearly every combination of -13 and -10: 9788121605028, 9788121605028, 8121605024 and 8121605028.
A few other things, to return us back to nearly normal: The subtitle on the 2011/2014 edition translates roughly as "That sex is central in life is just a fact. Your condemnation does not remove it from that center." It is assumed to be on the other cover, though the image resolution is too low to confirm that 100%.
And there is a curious infobit from Neeten (see Osho Source Book link at his page) concerning the time the discourses were given. He has it that discourse #5 was given on Dec 11, 1970, on the occasion of Osho's 40th birthday. Which is great to learn, but that date would be his 39th. More likely it WAS his 40th, making it Dec 11, 1971, more likely because, according to the Camps timeline, he would have just finished a camp in Ahmedabad on Dec 7, 1970, the classic one when he inaugurated the massive Gita Darshan (गीता दर्शन) series, and there is a big gap in the Dec 1971 timeline.
And lastly, there are the good old transliteration issues, and for good measure, one on the Devanagari end. First, that one: कहे (Kahe) reads कहै (Kahai) in the earlier edition images that are available. This may reflect an evolution in the Devanagari spelling of that word rather than a mistake. In any case, it is rendered almost always as Kahe in Roman characters, even with कहै on the cover. Kumhar appears variously as Kumahar and Kumar. And सूं SHOULD be rendered as Sun, not Su, but never is, but sometimes it is Se. The other variations, ie on कहे and कुम्हार, are NOT found in searches, ie Kahe does not find Kahai and vv. They have to be tried each separately. "Su" finds all its variations. -- Sarlo (talk) 10:02, 14 June 2014 (PDT)
- प्रवचन (TOC, ie audio titles):
- 1. परमात्मा सरल है
- 2. अहंकार की दूरी
- 3. जिज्ञासा और खोज
- 4. प्रेम की सुगंध
- 5. जीवन क्या है?
- 6. परंपरा के पत्थर
- 7. परंपराओं से मुक्ति
- 8. विस्मय का भाव
- 9. रहस्य का बोध
- 10. दुखवाद के प्रति विद्रोह
- 11. व्यवहार का पाखंड
- 12. अहंकार-मृत्यु का सूत्र
