Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज)

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event	audio, OshoWorld	audio, Osho.com (*1)	1980 book edition	1997 book edition (*2)	2004 book edition (*2)	Shailendra's PDF	Oshoganga	Osho.com library	Dates & Places
	#1	1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार : नया मनुष्य		1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार : नया मनुष्य		1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार : नया मनुष्य	1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार : नया मनुष्य	1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार: नया मनुष्य
	#2	2. नये समाज का जन्म : सुख की नींव पर		2. नये समाज का जन्मः सुख की नींव पर		2. नये समाज का जन्मः सुख की नींव पर	2. नये समाज का जन्म- सुख की नींव पर	2. नये समाज का जन्म: सुख की नींव पर
	#3 missing greetings in beginning	3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभ : भय के साक्षात्कार से missing greetings in beginning		3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभ: भय के साक्षात्कार से		3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभः भय के साक्षात्कार से	3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभः भय के साक्षात्कार से	3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभ: भय के साक्षात्कार से
	#4	4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट		4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट		4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट	4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट	4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट
	#5 (before 1:47:08) (at 52:23 and 53:14 sound changes: other event?)		1. लयबद्ध जीवन (first part)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (first part?)	1. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (it seems it's first part of event only) + 2. लयबद्ध जीवन (first part) (it seems it's last part of the event) (between two chapters there are missing a few short questions available in Shailendra's PDF and audio)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (p.69-96)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (first part)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (first part: p.1-26)
separate event ? (different sound of recording)	#5 (from 1:47:08) missing at least next paragraph at the end		1. लयबद्ध जीवन (middle part)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (second part?)	(it seems it included in ch.2 as middle part)	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (p.96-103) incomplete?	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (second part) incomplete?	5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (middle part: p.26-34) incomplete?	it can be end of first part. To check
			1. लयबद्ध जीवन (last part) Bombay, 31 May and 1 Jun 1969		last part of 2. लयबद्ध जीवन (p.54-56)			5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (last part: p.34-35)
	#6 small first 1 min chat that available on audio was left out in text version of the talk	5/6. शून्य की दिशा "sound dropouts" small first 1 min chat that available on audio was left out in text version of the talk	3. शून्य की दिशा Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969	6. शून्य की दिशा	4. शून्य की दिशा	6. शून्य की दिशा	6. शून्य की दिशा	6. शून्य की दिशा
	#7	6/7. नये समाज का आधार—भय नहीं, प्रेम		7. नये समाज का आधार--भय नहीं, प्रेम		7. नये समाज का आधार--भय नहीं, प्रेम	7. नये समाज का आधार-- भय नहीं, प्रेम	7. नये समाज का आधार--भय नहीं, प्रेम
	#8	7/8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं		8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं		8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं	8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं	8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं	to check text: there are clues for date
	#9 incomplete audio has on 40sec more text in the end than Shailendra's PDF text	8/9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद "sound dropouts, incomplete" audio has on ~35sec more text in the end than Shailendra's PDF text		9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद		9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद incomplete	9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद the same incompleteness as Shailendra's PDF	9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद the same incompleteness as Shailendra's PDF
	#10 audio has some untranscribed Osho's text in the end, then discourse seems was disturbed (*3)	9/10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है "incomplete" audio has some untranscribed Osho's text in the end		10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है		10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है incomplete	10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है incomplete	10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है incomplete
	#11	10/11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय		11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय		11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय	11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय	11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय
	Sahaj Mile Avinashi #3 intro: "an intimate talk given in Bombay, India" last 14 min are untranscribed	11/12. समाज और सत्य "poor quality recording" last 14 min are untranscribed	4. समाज और सत्य Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969	12. समाज और सत्य	5. समाज और सत्य	12. समाज और सत्य	12. समाज और सत्य	12. समाज और सत्य
Yuvak Aur Yaun ~ 04	#12 first sentence incomplete and missing much text in the end (~2,5 questions) Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur #9 first sentence incomplete and missing much text in the end (~2,5 questions)	Yuvak Aur Yaun 4. जनसंख्या विस्फोट first sentence incomplete and missing much text in the end (~2,5 questions)				Yuvak Aur Yaun 4. जनसंख्या विस्फोट	Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur ch.31-36. जनसंख्या विस्फोट	Yuvak Aur Yaun 4. जनसंख्या विस्फोट	<1971, Jabalpur
	#13			13. आध्यात्मिक क्रांति के दो सूत्र		13. आध्यात्मिक क्रांति के दो सूत्र	13. आध्यात्मिक क्रांतिके दो सूत्र	13. आध्यात्मिक क्रांति के दो सूत्र
Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 28	#14	Dekh Kabira Roya 20. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन				Dekh Kabira Roya 28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन	Dekh Kabira Roya 28. अनिवार्य संतति-नियमन missing first 3 sentences and last 6 questions		22 May 1970, Surat (*4)
		12/14. सत्य को बोलने का साहस "last 3 mins poor quality recording"						14. सत्य को बोलने का साहस
	#15 missing first question itself, audio starts from response to it	13/15. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है missing first question itself, audio starts from response to it		14. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है		14. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है	14. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है	15. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है
	#16 (before 2:05)	14/16. जीवन एक समग्रता है (before 2:19)
	#16 (from 2:05) missing first question itself or missing beginning?, end incomplete	14/16. जीवन एक समग्रता है (from 2:19) missing first question itself or missing beginning?, end incomplete		15. जीवन एक समग्रता है		15. जीवन एक समग्रता है incomplete	15. जीवन एक समग्रता है incomplete	16. जीवन एक समग्रता है incomplete
	#17 incomplete	15/17. सफलता नहीं—सुफलता		16. सफलता नहीं--सुफलता		16. सफलता नहीं--सुफलता	16. सफलता नहीं -- सुफलता	17. सफलता नहीं--सुफलता
		16/18. नये परिवार का आधार : विवाह नहीं, प्रेम "sound dropouts"		17. नये परिवार का आधार: विवाह नहीं, प्रेम		17. नये परिवार का आधार : विवाह नहीं, प्रेम	17. नये परिवार का आधार: विवाह नहीं, प्रेम	18. नये परिवार का आधार: विवाह नहीं, प्रेम
Jeevan Sangeet ~ 10	Jeevan Sangeet #9 missing first word	Jeevan Sangeet 10. नये का आमंत्रण "sound dropouts", missing first and last word	2. नये का आमन्त्रण + second part of 5. नये समाज की सम्भावना (*5) Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969		3. नये का आमंत्रण (it seems first part of event only)	Jeevan Sangeet 10. नये का आमंतत्र	Jeevan Sangeet 9. (no title) only first half	Jeevan Sangeet 10. नये का आमंत्रण	6 Jun 1969 pm, Udaipur
Upasana Ke Kshan ~ 08	Upasana Ke Kshan #9 incomplete	Upasana Ke Kshan 7. जीते-जी मरने की कला (*6) "incomplete"	5. नये समाज की सम्भावना (first part) perhaps here is first part of the event only Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969		6. नये समाज की संभावना	Upasana Ke Kshan 8. जीते-जी मरने की कला missing at least last question that showed in osho.com library version	Upasana Ke Kshan 8. जीते-जी मरने की कला incompleteness the same as Shailendra's PDF	Upasana Ke Kshan 8. जीते-जी मरने की कला incomplete	6 Jun 1969, Udaipur

Notes

(*1) This audio series in unavailable in Khajana collection: inserted Naye Bharat Ki Khoj in the folder of current series. (Question from Sugit: I assume this is only a note for Antar, can be removed later, right?)

On OSHO.com audios are available as number 1-16. But when they are bought, one receives 1-18, with #5 and #13 missing. Intro's correspond to 1-18.

Numbers shown in the table are number of the website / number of the audio-mp3.

(*2) The check of these editions based mostly on their TOCs.

(*3) A Hindi friend checked end of audio and says: "after 52 minute...there is nothing but ..verbal noise as people become aggressive and perhaps creating disturbance.....nothing meaning ful once Osho laughs i don't know on which matter as so many peple are taiking so not clear."

(*4) Re date and place see footnote 15 of Talk:Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया).

(*5) It needs full text of the chapter in order to check it.

(*6) It is in Khajana collection as audio #8

Deliberations

Source of date and place info [for Rajkot] is "Doc X". Questions may arise about 17 discourses in 4 days (6-9 Mar 1970), hmmm? They do seem to be short discourses, taking only 144 pages, and 17 seems to be correct, at least supported by other sources, fwiw. -- Sarlo (talk) 22:27, 27 January 2014 (PST)

Above was written when it was thought that the whole book was given in the four days at Rajkot. In fact, though the books are short, 144-181 or so pages, the discourses are not. The seventeen discourses are all full-length for those days, running from just under an hour to one running over two hours, so we can forget four days. And as if that weren't enough, we have new information from Neeten's Osho Source Book that has both Naye Samaj and Shunya Ke Paar (शुन्य के पार) on those dates in Rajkot. This apparently works though, since Shunya talks were given in the mornings and Naye Samaj in the evenings (or afternoons, though less likely in the hot season).

So that's not so bad, and we can still wonder about the other thirteen discourses of Naye Samaj and how seventeen longish talks can fit into 144 pages. Perhaps there is a lot of silence, or a lot of editing/selecting. "TOC" below is actually a list of audio titles, may not correspond to the books. -- Sarlo (talk) 09:16, 3 August 2014 (PDT)

And from the FWIW bin, the audio titles below are actually just from Osho World. Osho.com also offers an audiobook for this series, with titles mostly the same but a few diffs: #5 is just plain missing, #13 has a different title (सत्य को बोलने का साहस) and #13-17 are renumbered to 14-18.

And while we're here, #12 is the title of a fabled long-lost early publication of Osho. Could it have ended up here, in NSKK? Stranger things have happened. -- doofus-9 06:07, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

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प्रवचन:

1. नये समाज की खोज का आधार: नया मनुष्य

2. नये समाज का जन्म: सुख की नींव पर

3. जीवन-क्रांति का प्रारंभ: भय के साक्षात्कार से

4. अंतस की बदलाहट ही एकमात्र बदलाहट

5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष

6. शून्य की दिशा

7. नये समाज का आधार--भय नहीं, प्रेम

8. मैं पूंजीवाद के समर्थन में हूं

9. अध्यात्म की आधारशिला है भौतिकवाद

10. जिंदगी निरंतर चुनाव है

11. विश्व-शांति के तीन उपाय

12. समाज और सत्य

13. आध्यात्मिक क्रांति के दो सूत्र

14. निर्विचार अनुभव ही सनातन हो सकता है

15. जीवन एक समग्रता है

16. सफलता नहीं--सुफलता

17. नये परिवार का आधार: विवाह नहीं, प्रेम

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Image added Feb 3 2019, discussion re that follows below, after older discussions.

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I assume that the 17 audio discourses available here correspond to the 17 chapters of the book.

Discourse #10 took place in Ludhiana on Aug, 23, 1970 - the last day of a 3 day talking engagement there (Aug, 21 - 23, 1970). ( see "Osho discourse given on 23 Aug 1970 pm". Update: it is deleted now. )

--Rudra (talk) 10:07, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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My reading of Ageh's account was that there were four nights of talks, likely #7-10, one each evg from Aug 20-23. Great that you added it here! -- doofus-9 (talk) 18:48, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

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yes, you're right. i missed the fact that he arrived at 5am in the morning. --Rudra (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

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About the image: It is from Jagdish and purports to be the TOC for a previously unknown book, Naye Samaj Ka Janm (नये समाज का जन्म), or "Birth of a New Society", as opposed to NSKK's "Search for a New Society". All the titles bar one match those in NSKK, so it's hard to believe in its separate existence. The difference is a new ch 14 (circled in the image, "सत्य को बोलने का साहस") in "NSKJ", with each chapter after that numbered one higher. Possibly a new edition with one more chapter? ¿Quien sabe? For now, it can sit here and await developments. -- doofus-9 19:13, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

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1980 RF edition has 5ch, how are they related with late Rebel edition with 17 chapters? It is necessary to correct date of first publishing in events for this series. Only 5 chapters published in 1980.

Dates of events from 1980 edition:

Ch.1 Bombay, 31 May and 1 Jun 1969 : in Timeline another 3 events in these days...

Ch.2 Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969

Ch.3 Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969

Ch.4 Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969

Ch.5 Udaipur, 6 Jun 1969

This is error of printing? 4 chapters with the same date. Timeline has Upasana Ke Kshan ~ 08 in this date.

None of 5 chapters do not match with Shailendra's PDF.--DhyanAntar 10:42, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

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Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Naye Samaj Ki Khoj, 4 talks, 6-9.03.70" and then adds "Naye Samaj Ki Khoj, 1 talk, 15.03.70".--DhyanAntar 17:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Osho Discourse Hindi List with dates (source document) confirms 4 talks on 6-9 Mar 1970 and says they are evening talks.--DhyanAntar 06:18, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

The same info gives Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) but with place Rajkot.--DhyanAntar 07:19, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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Ageh Bharti (in Beloved Osho) confirms last date of series in Ludhiana, 23 Aug 1970 pm. And he says it was evening talks.--DhyanAntar 05:47, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

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It needs to check relation with Samajvad Se Savdhan (समाजवाद से सावधान): in ch.8 of Shailendra's PDF Osho starts with "'Beware of socialism', I told you a few things in this regard yesterday. Some questions have been asked by friends about that."

It can be morning talk 14 Apr 1970 as that place is vacant.--DhyanAntar 14:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Also ch.6 and 8 from Oshoganga can be related (judging by प्रभु की कृपा mentioning) with following data in Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document) (it needs to research): "प्रभु की कृपा का मार्ग (Prabhu Ki Kripa Ka Marg), 1 talk, Nargol, 4 May 1970".--DhyanAntar 07:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

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To check relation with Dekh Kabira Roya ~ 13.--DhyanAntar 12:18, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

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Osho.com library gives 1970 year in his Copyrights.--DhyanAntar 12:22, 28 October 2020 (UTC)