View source for Talk:Prem Nadi Ke Teera (प्रेम नदी के तीरा)

===Current Understanding===
{| class="wikitable"
! event !! audio,<br>OshoWorld !! audio,<br>Osho.com (*1) !! Shailendra's PDF !! Oshoganga !! Osho.com library !! Dates & Places
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| [[Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam ~ 05]] || #1 || ''Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam'' 4. समर्पण के फूल '''(*2)'''<br>(<s>37</s> / 92min) '''(*3)''' || 
* 1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
* ''Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam'' 5. ध्यान और रेचन<br>missing last question 
|| 
* 1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
* ''Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam'' 5. ध्यान और रेचन<br>missing last question 
|| ''Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam'' 4. ध्यान और रेचन<br>(text is a little different: perhaps it is closer version to transcript) || 10 Sep 1970, [[wikipedia:Mumbai |Bombay]]
|-
| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 02]] || #2 || 2. समर्पण के फूल || 2. समर्पण के फूल || 2. समर्पण के फूल || 1. समर्पण के फूल || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 03]] || #3<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 3a. Talk #3 (no title)<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 3. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 3. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 2. पहले सक्रियता फिर अक्रिया<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 04]] || #4<br>missing beginning and end || 3b. Talk #4 (no title)<br>missing beginning and end || 4. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए<br>missing beginning and end || 4. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए<br>missing beginning and end || 3. धर्म को गुरु नहीं, शिष्य चाहिए<br>missing beginning and end || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 05]] || #5<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 4a. Talk #5 (no title)<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 5. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 5. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || 4. पति-पत्नी और प्रेम<br>beginning incomplete, perhaps end missing || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 06]] || #6 '''(*4)''' || 4b. Talk #6 (no title) '''(*4)''' || 6. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल || 6. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल || 5. गुरु होना आसान है, शिष्य बनना मुश्किल || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 07]] || #7<br>beginning incomplete? || 5. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है<br>beginning incomplete? || 7. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है<br>beginning incomplete? || 7. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है<br>beginning incomplete? || 6. ध्यानी को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है<br>beginning incomplete? || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 08]] || #8<br>beginning and end incomplete || 6. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है<br>beginning and end incomplete || 8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है<br>beginning and end incomplete || 8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है<br>beginning and end incomplete || 7. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है<br>beginning and end incomplete || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 09]] || #9<br>end incomplete || 7. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए<br>end incomplete || 9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाएं<br>end incomplete || 9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए<br>end incomplete || 8. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाए<br>end incomplete || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 10]] || #10<br>beginning incomplete, end incompete too? || 8. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है<br>beginning incomplete, end incompete too? || 10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है<br>beginning incomplete, end incompete too? || 10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है<br>beginning incomplete, end incompete too? || 9. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है<br>beginning incomplete, end incompete too? || unknown 
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 11]] || 
* #11 (44min)<br>missing beginning (beginning of audio is synced with below audio at 1:01:50 of ''NSKK'' #5)
* middle part of ''Naye Samaj Ki Khoj'' #5 (from 0:52:23 to 1:47:08) (complete) '''(*5)''' 
|| 9. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है<br>missing beginning || 
* 11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है<br>missing beginning
* middle part of ''Naye Samaj Ki Khoj'' 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (p.82-96) 
|| 
* 11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है<br>missing beginning
* middle part of ''Naye Samaj Ki Khoj'' 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष 
|| 
* 10. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है <br>missing beginning
* second part of ''Naye Samaj Ki Khoj'' 5. जीवन-मूल्य और संघर्ष (web-p.14-26) 
|| 31 May 1969, [[wikipedia:Mumbai |Bombay]] '''(*6)'''
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 12]] || #12<br>beginning incomplete, end incomplete too? || 10. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण<br>beginning incomplete, end incomplete too? || 12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण<br>beginning incomplete, end incomplete too? || 12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण है<br>beginning incomplete, end incomplete too? || 11. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण है<br>beginning incomplete, end incomplete too? || unknown
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 13]] || #13<br>beginning incomplete || 11. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें<br>beginning incomplete || 13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें<br>beginning incomplete (audios more complete in beginning) || 13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें<br>incompleteness is the same as in Shailendra's PDF || 12. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें<br>incompleteness is the same as in Shailendra's PDF || unknown
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 14]] || #14 '''(*7)'''<br>beginning incompete, last minute with chat untranscribed || 12. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में '''(*8)'''<br>beginning incompete, missing second half || 14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में<br>beginning incomplete || 14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में<br>beginning incomplete || 13. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में<br>beginning incomplete || unknown
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 15]] || #15<br>beginning incomplete || 13. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है<br>beginning incomplete (first 15 sec of poor quality is left out, it is available in OW version) || 15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है<br>beginning incomplete || 15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है<br>beginning incomplete || 14. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है<br>beginning incomplete || unknown
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| [[Prem Nadi Ke Teera ~ 16]] || #16<br>text before Osho talking is untranscribed; last min is very poor quality, sound breaking and is losting || 1. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है<br>text before Osho talking is untranscribed; last min is very poor quality, sound breaking and is losting || 16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना<br>beginning incomplete || 16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना<br>beginning incomplete || 15. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना<br>beginning incomplete || unknown
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;Notes
:(*1) Audios of Khajana collection have numbers as Shailendra's PDF.
:(*2) The title of this audio on OSHO.com, "समर्पण के फूल" is in fact the same as the title of ch.2 of this series, probably a mixup.
::The audio-mp3-tag, "Dhyan Aur Rechan", rather seems the correct title. 
::Earlier, this audio was part of current series as #1, as shown in the Khajana collection and as it still is at OshoWorld audios. 
::All mp3-numbers of the Khajana collection are the same as in the OW collection.
::Thereafter, on OSHO.com it was moved to ''Hasiba Kheliba Dhariba Dhyanam'' #4. 
::(So on OSHO.com, the ''Prem Nadi Ke Teera''-series now has only 15 events, and all their remaining numbers are one less.)
:(*3) Audio 4 at osho.com (event 5) is stated as 37min, but is in fact 92min.
:(*4) Sound lost for 10 sec from 00:32 in OW audio and from 00:49 in osho.com audio.
:(*5) At 1:46:49 sound breaks, a couple of words missing and then continues. OW ''PNKT'' #11 audio doesn't have this problem.
:(*6) Date needs confirmation, see footnote (*7) on [[Talk:Naye Samaj Ki Khoj (नये समाज की खोज)]].
:(*7) Sound lost on 10 seconds from 38:56.
:(*8) At 33:24 audio jumps to the end. Its duration is 43 min.
 
===Deliberations===

:प्रवचन (TOC):
:1. सामूहिक रेचन का महत्व
:2. समर्पण के फूल
:3, 4, 5, 6, नेम नांट अवेलेबल (Nem Nant Avelebal -- IKYN)
:7. ध्यान को अभिनेता होना पड़ता है
:8. हिंदुस्तान आध्यात्मिक देश नहीं है
:9. शास्त्र को नहीं, समझ को आधार बनाएं
:10. नींद और मौत एक जैसी होती है
:11. प्रामाणिकता सर्वोपरि है
:12. स्मृति के विसर्जन में चैतन्य का जागरण
:13. निर्णय न लें, उपलब्ध रहें
:14. इंद्रियों की जड़ें शरीर में
:15. जो बाहर से आया वह ज्ञान नहीं है
:16. लीला का अर्थ है वर्तमान में जीना

Above TOC was from Osho World's audiobook. Turns out the osho.com audiobook offering has a few slight differences:
:1: the talks not available in OW ''were'' in o.com, but arranged as two mp3s of two talks each, so that the whole package is of 14 mp3s (@ Rs 100 a pop). All of the #3 - #6 are fairly short, the shortest of the 16 talks, and in o.com were still untitled.
:2: for talk #7, o.com has ध्यानी, not ध्यान, makes more sense afaict.
:3: for talk #9, o.com has बनाए, not बनाएं, no comment

And again, Hindi blurb thanks to osho.com, replacing the previous one, which again was mistakenly taken from another book's blurb, ''[[Prem Hai Dwar Prabhu Ka (प्रेम है द्वार प्रभु का)]]'', the same one which had got ''its'' blurb mistakenly from another book. Cascading errors! -- updated [[User:Sarlo|doofus-9]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 17:10, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
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Osho.com library gives 1968 year in his Copyrights.--DhyanAntar 10:39, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
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Some extracts from Shailendra's PDFs:

:ch.1: talk given during 3-day med. camp. 1st question starts: "Many people have such thoughts about what can happen with a three-day camp?.."
:last question: "Question: The way you imagine a society moving through love, there will be a pattern in the society as well, will there be some regulations, etc.? Will there be anything to control or not? Response: We will talk about it day after tomorrow." (Reference to ?)

:ch.4: talk given during a med. camp. "Just now there was a woman in this camp…"

:ch.9: in the end: "Do these things more that you have to do, come tomorrow at three o'clock. It will be three to four and a half hours. And evening ..." (Reference to ?)

--DhyanAntar 15:03, 2 December 2020 (UTC)