Talk:Satya Ka Darshan (सत्य का दर्शन)
|2018 book ed.||Shailendra's PDF||Osho.com library||Dates & Places|
|Satya Ka Darshan ~ 01||Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra #5||1. चित्त का निरीक्षण||1. चित्त का निरीक्षण||Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण||Satya Ka Darshan 1. चित्त का निरीक्षण (*1)
available first paragraph only
|25 Aug 1968 am, Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad|
|Satya Ka Darshan ~ 02||Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra #7
first sentence incomplete
|2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
missing first sentence
|2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का||Satya Ka Darshan 2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का
missing first sentence
|not available||27 Aug 1968 am, Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad|
|Satya Ka Darshan ~ 03||Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra #8||3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति||3. परिस्थिति नहीं, मनःस्थिति||Satya Ka Darshan 3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति||not available||4 Apr 1967 am, Hyderabad|
|Man Ka Darpan ~ 04||Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra #9||Man Ka Darpan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा (*2)||
||Man Ka Darpan 4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा||8 Sep 1967 am, Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay|
|Satya Ka Darshan ~ 04||Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra #10||4. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण||4. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण||Satya Ka Darshan 5. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण||not available||22 Aug 1968 om**, Leonard Theological College, Jabalpur|
|Satya Ka Darshan ~ 05||Antar Ki Khoj #7||5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र||5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र||Satya Ka Darshan 6. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र||not available||7 Sep 1967 am, HK Arts College, Ahmedabad|
(*1) Although osho.com library says that series contains from 5 talks, but lists ch.1 only.
(*2) In Osho Khajana collection it is Satya Ka Darshan #4, then 5th Khajana audio is 4th on osho.com.
Audio is apparently only available from osho.com. They do have all five of the audio titles:
|Audio TOC:||TOC from Shailendra's e-book:||JKKS ch #|
|1. चित्त का निरीक्षण||1. चित्त का निरीक्षण||5|
|2. प्रेम है दान स्वयं का||2. प्रेम है दानस्वयंका||7|
|3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति||3. परिस्थिति नहीं मनःस्थिति||8|
|4. जीवन यानी परमात्मा||9|
|4. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण||5. विचार नहीं, भाव है महत्वपूर्ण||10|
|5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र||6. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र||6|
It will be observed that titles, where available, are identical, except for ch 2, where the audio title is more likely the correct one. Words do run together sometimes in Hindi but here, the title is a mini-sentence, which may flow better when the words are kept separate. It means approximately, "Love is the gift of oneself". --DhyanAntar 07:05, 20 August 2018 (UTC) and doofus-9 19:04, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- And fwiw, the 2018 book, JKKS's equivalent chapter and the audio all agree on separate words for this title. -- doofus-9 18:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Shailendra also informs that these talks originally were the talks 5, 7-10 of Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र)'s ten talks, in a different order, with one chapter changing its title, from धर्म के तीन सूत्र (3 sutras of religion) to स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र (sutras of freedom). See JKKS's Talk page for more and also see Talk:Antar Ki Khoj -- doofus-9 19:24, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Images at right are two different versions of Dates and Places info from Jagdish for this series, exactly paralleling the two versions of the TOC above. It is instructive to see both and savour their relationships with each other and the two TOCs, but the text version below follows only the second one, as it augments and corrects the first without removing any info. Some notes follow:
- 1. Aug 25 1968 am Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
- 2. Aug 27 1968 am Mangaldas Town Hall, Ahmedabad
- 3. Apr 4 1967 am Hyderabad (Q&A)
- 4. Sep 8 1967 am Birla Kreeda Kendra, Bombay ("Jeevan")
- 5. Aug 22 1968 om Leonard Theological College, Jabalpur
- 6. Sep 7 1967 am HK Arts College, Ahmedabad ("Swatantrata")
Some of the characterizations inserted by Jagdish are helpful in verifying and connecting chapters here to the titles in the TOCs, particularly "Jeevan" and "Swatantrata". OTOH, the apparent title inserted in the ch 5 info has nothing in common with any of the titles.
Revisiting the earlier material above and the Talk pages mentioned there, i have inserted the numbers of the chapters in JKKS in the table. All of the material in this book / audio series does come from JKKS's last six chapters, in the same order, except that the one which changed its name moved to the end.
Dates and Places info has also come recently for JKKS. The info there relating to these chapters is lacking venues, so it's nice to have these venues now, but the dates do not all agree. Ch 6 (in both iterations), the one which changed its title, also seems to have changed its date. At least it still has the same number. Looking at it closely, it seems that the date in the JKKS D&P info for ch 6 makes more sense, making three days in a row in Ahmedabad for (what in JKKS at least are) three chapters in a row, so that will be preferred.
And fwiw, the hand-written correction of "HP" to "HK" Arts College for that talk seems to be an improvement, as G**gle was having trouble finding HP Arts College but not the latter.
And revisiting the mention of Antar Ki Khoj above has found that there is currently no reason to suppose that these series are connected in any way. It seems like their only connection is the "see also" interlinks between them. I will delete these intermentions if there are no objections.
Some confusion regarding 4th and 6th talks solved in table of Current Understanding (above).
4th talk is Man Ka Darpan ~ 04. So the series now contains 5 talks only.--DhyanAntar 16:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)