Talk:Satya Ki Pahli Kiran (सत्य की पहली किरण)

Dec 2018 update:

Much of what was written earlier (below) has now been deemed to be obsolete, rendered so by two new pieces of information: One is a detailed Dates and Places account for Jeevan Darshan (जीवन दर्शन), which collides with Kiran's hypothesized dates (and places). That info can be found at JD's talk page.

The other is found in Shifting content in Hindi books (source document), which shows that almost every one of Kiran's chapters can also be found in at least one other book, including two in JD. (The one chapter that has not been so found is assumed to be in the same boat, just not yet found.) Thus, with at most one original chapter, and even that not very likely, the current view is that Kiran is a compilation. -- doofus-9 18:50, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

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Because third chapter didn't found yet in other book, we should stick to First edition series. Reverted First series category.--DhyanAntar 05:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Sources

An image (right) apparently listing the original sources of Kiran's chapters has been supplied by Jagdish. We can compare it with Shailendra's info from "Shifting contents" to arrive possibly at a consensus.

Kiran	source per image	source(s) per "Shifting contents"
#1	Shunya Samadhi #2	Shunya Samadhi #6 (old, #2 new edition); Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha #2
#2	Shunya Samadhi #1	Shunya Samadhi #5 (old, #1 new edition); Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha #1
#3	Kya Manushya Ek Yantra Hai? #1	----
#4	Dharm Aur Anand #8	Dharm Aur Anand #8; Sukh Aur Shanti #8
#5	Jeevan Darshan #3	Jeevan Darshan #3
#6	Amrit Ki Disha #6	Amrit Ki Disha #6; Samadhi Ke Teen Charan #2
#7	----	Jeevan Darshan #1

It will be noted that in all cases where each have at least one source, they agree. Shailendra is more thorough, trying to note all instances of duplication. Jagdish settles for one, which may or may not be the original source. With Kiran #1 and 2 for instance, his Shunya Samadhi chapter numbers are from newer editions, which Shailendra notes have been shuffled around since the original editions. But one way or another, we know where these Kiran chapters came from.

And Jagdish and Shailendra each are missing one chapter, but not the same one, so all of Kiran's chapters are included by at least one of them. Lest the idea arise that Kiran might have been an original series which later got dispersed ... its first publication was in 1970 by a small publisher in Jabalpur. All the other books in the table are based on talks given from 1964 to '68, except Kya Manushya, which is not known precisely. However, its four talks are closely associated with the four talks of Kya Ishwar Mar Gaya Hai? (क्या ईश्वर मर गया है?), which were given in 1967, so ...

This all makes it clear finally that there is no original material in Kiran, which Shailendra notes has been retired. RIP. -- doofus-9 17:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Older discussion:

About the text of the book's description: It has been discovered a couple of times recently that the blurb for a book has turned out to be for a different book. Both times it might well have been a wiki editor's error, especially as the text belonged to a book quite close alphabetically.

Kiran's blurb also has been found to belong to another book but this time it is not the wiki editor's fault. It comes from the publisher, Diamond, and the other book to which it belongs is Karuna Aur Kranti (करुणा और क्रान्ति). I am leaving it in place because a) no other blurb could be found and b) it may even be appropriate, however unlikely that might seem.

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A few other things: Much of the information for this book has come from Neeten's Osho Source Book. In his Appendix, he gives a date range and a place and says there were six talks given. There are seven chapters in the 2004 edition, so a seventh talk has come from somewhere. One possibility is another talk given on Aug 12 in the same neighbourhood with the title धर्म क्या है, but that title does not appear in the TOC. Another possibility is that Neeten's six is wrong and there were actually seven in those four days. There would be room for that and this धर्म क्या है would in that view be an eighth, published somewhere else (or not). Who knows? For now, tentatively and provisionally, the wiki has taken the latter view in the Timeline.

FWIW, there is an e-book version, though it does not offer much illumination. No dates or places are supplied, just chapter titles, corresponding to those below. One could say there is something slightly different about the first chapter and infer that it could be the chapter hypothetically added to Neeten's six, but this is a thin gruel.

In Neeten's Bibliography, he has compiled the following information:

(Satya ki pahali kirana (First Ray of Truth). 3rd ed. Bombay, Jevan Jagruti Kendra, 1973. 172 p. front. 21.5 cm. Rs. 5.00. (NL Hindi card cat.; INB 1974: comp. by Nikalank, pseud. (H-74) 181.4) 1st edition by Acharya Shree Rajneesh Sahitya Publication Trust, Kamla Nehru Nagar, Jabalpur, printed by Singhai Printing Press, Jabalpur, and distributed by Sushma Sahitya Mandir, Jabalpur. 187 pages. Rs. 6.00.)

A copy of the first (1970) edition has been catalogued by Hathi Trust, confirms all details, including compilation by "Nikalank", assumed to be Sw Niklank Bharti, never mind "pseud."

Several sources indicate a 1994 edition from Diamond but they likely have their source in G**gle Books, which shows a pub date of 2004 inside (while claiming 1994 outside). -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 04:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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विषय सूची (TOC):

1. जीवन-क्रांति की दिशा

2. जीवन ही है मुक्ति

3. स्वतंत्रता की ओर

4. धर्म विचार नहीं उपचार

5. एक अनूठी भेंट

6. सरलता है सत्य की द्वार

7. सत्य की पहली किरण