Talk:Satya Ki Pahli Kiran (सत्य की पहली किरण)

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Current Understanding

event - source of compilation 1970, 1971 (*1), 1974 (*1), 1995 (*1) book ed. Dates & Places
Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha ~ 02 1. जीवन क्रांति की दिशा 21 Jan 1968 pm, Ruia College, Matunga, Bombay
Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha ~ 01 2. जीवन ही है मुक्ति 20 Jan 1968 pm, Ruia College, Matunga, Bombay
Kya Manushya Ek Yantra Hai ~ 01 3. स्वतंत्रता की ओर 20 May 1967, Cross Maidan, Bombay
Dharm Aur Anand ~ 09 4. धर्म विचार नहीं उपचार
(2/3 of event and last part is too much edited)
17 Jan 1967 am, Sagar Pragati Mandal, Ahmedabad
Jeevan Darshan ~ 03 5. एक अनूठी भेंट 13 Aug 1967 pm, Ghatkopar, Bombay
Samadhi Ke Teen Charan ~ 02 6. सरलता है सत्य का द्वार 14 Dec 1965 am, Ahmednagar
Jeevan Darshan ~ 01 7. सत्य की पहली किरण 12 Aug 1967 pm, Ghatkopar, Bombay

(*1) 1971, 1974 and 1995 editions has the same ch.-titles but only small difference in title for ch.1 (hyphen): "जीवन-क्रांति की दिशा". 5th title in TOC of 1971ed. has incorrect diacritic अनुठी ("unique") while text of the chapter has correct version (अनूठी).

Dec 2018 update

Much of what was written earlier (below) has now been deemed to be obsolete, rendered so by two new pieces of information: One is a detailed Dates and Places account for Jeevan Darshan (जीवन दर्शन), which collides with Kiran's hypothesized dates (and places). That info can be found at JD's talk page.

The other is found in Shifting content in Hindi books (source document), which shows that almost every one of Kiran's chapters can also be found in at least one other book, including two in JD. (The one chapter that has not been so found is assumed to be in the same boat, just not yet found.) Thus, with at most one original chapter, and even that not very likely, the current view is that Kiran is a compilation. -- doofus-9 18:50, 24 December 2018 (UTC)


Because third chapter didn't found yet in other book, we should stick to First edition series. Reverted First series category.--DhyanAntar 05:39, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

That chapter is found in another series, see Sources section above. However current book gets First ser.category because some talks first published here as book form.--DhyanAntar 04:59, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Sources

Satya Ki Pahali Kiran 1-6 Sources.jpg

An image (right) apparently listing the original sources of Kiran's chapters has been supplied by Jagdish. We can compare it with Shailendra's info from "Shifting contents" to arrive possibly at a consensus.

Kiran source per image source(s) per "Shifting contents"
#1 Shunya Samadhi #2 Shunya Samadhi #6 (old, #2 new edition); Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha #2
#2 Shunya Samadhi #1 Shunya Samadhi #5 (old, #1 new edition); Jeevan Kranti Ki Disha #1
#3 Kya Manushya Ek Yantra Hai? #1 ----
#4 Dharm Aur Anand #8 (OW) Dharm Aur Anand #8 (OW); Sukh Aur Shanti #8
#5 Jeevan Darshan #3 Jeevan Darshan #3
#6 Amrit Ki Disha #6 Amrit Ki Disha #6; Samadhi Ke Teen Charan #2
#7 ---- Jeevan Darshan #1

It will be noted that in all cases where each have at least one source, they agree. Shailendra is more thorough, trying to note all instances of duplication. Jagdish settles for one, which may or may not be the original source. With Kiran #1 and 2 for instance, his Shunya Samadhi chapter numbers are from newer editions, which Shailendra notes have been shuffled around since the original editions. But one way or another, we know where these Kiran chapters came from.

And Jagdish and Shailendra each are missing one chapter, but not the same one, so all of Kiran's chapters are included by at least one of them. Lest the idea arise that Kiran might have been an original series which later got dispersed ... its first publication was in 1970 by a small publisher in Jabalpur. All the other books in the table are based on talks given from 1964 to '68, except Kya Manushya, which is not known precisely. However, its four talks are closely associated with the four talks of Kya Ishwar Mar Gaya Hai? (क्या ईश्वर मर गया है?), which were given in 1967, so ...

This all makes it clear finally that there is no original material in Kiran, which Shailendra notes has been retired. RIP. -- doofus-9 17:51, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

OTOH ... That sticky ch 3 ... More research is needed. Kiran's ch 3 title, स्वतंत्रता की ओर, does not match up with any of Kya Manushya's titles, making Jagdish's info less than 100% certain. And so far, that title is not found anywhere else in the wiki, save as a title in the Jan 1968 issue of a magazine, Jyoti Shikha, where it is attributed (by the wiki editor) to Kiran. -- doofus-9 19:26, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
But their text matched: it checked that Satya Ki Pahli Kiran ch.3 (1971ed.) = Kya Manushya Ek Yantra Hai ch.1 (Shailendra's PDF and OW audio #1).--DhyanAntar 07:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

The 1970 edition

Mention is made below of a 1970 edition, catalogued by Hathi Trust. Along has come an early edition, with page images and with no pub date, but otherwise appearing to be the same edition. I have taken the liberty of combining them, as enough of the info is the same to be convincing. -- doofus-9 06:55, 3 July 2019 (UTC)


Other evidence is the mentioning this title in Hindi Books in Print Lists#Dec 1970 list, as published by JJK (or under its copyrights) ≤Dec of 1970.--DhyanAntar 04:53, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


Jyoti Shikha (ज्योति शिखा) magazine, issue 17 (1970-06) also confirmes the year. Also corrected price for it.--DhyanAntar 05:30, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Older discussion

About the text of the book's description: It has been discovered a couple of times recently that the blurb for a book has turned out to be for a different book. Both times it might well have been a wiki editor's error, especially as the text belonged to a book quite close alphabetically.

Kiran's blurb also has been found to belong to another book but this time it is not the wiki editor's fault. It comes from the publisher, Diamond, and the other book to which it belongs is Karuna Aur Kranti (करुणा और क्रान्ति). I am leaving it in place because a) no other blurb could be found and b) it may even be appropriate, however unlikely that might seem.


A few other things: Much of the information for this book has come from Neeten's Osho Source Book. In his Appendix, he gives a date range and a place and says there were six talks given. There are seven chapters in the 2004 edition, so a seventh talk has come from somewhere. One possibility is another talk given on Aug 12 in the same neighbourhood with the title धर्म क्या है, but that title does not appear in the TOC. Another possibility is that Neeten's six is wrong and there were actually seven in those four days. There would be room for that and this धर्म क्या है would in that view be an eighth, published somewhere else (or not). Who knows? For now, tentatively and provisionally, the wiki has taken the latter view in the Timeline.

FWIW, there is an e-book version, though it does not offer much illumination. No dates or places are supplied, just chapter titles, corresponding to those below. One could say there is something slightly different about the first chapter and infer that it could be the chapter hypothetically added to Neeten's six, but this is a thin gruel.

In Neeten's Bibliography, he has compiled the following information:

(Satya ki pahali kirana (First Ray of Truth). 3rd ed. Bombay, Jevan Jagruti Kendra, 1973. 172 p. front. 21.5 cm. Rs. 5.00. (NL Hindi card cat.; INB 1974: comp. by Nikalank, pseud. (H-74) 181.4) 1st edition by Acharya Shree Rajneesh Sahitya Publication Trust, Kamla Nehru Nagar, Jabalpur, printed by Singhai Printing Press, Jabalpur, and distributed by Sushma Sahitya Mandir, Jabalpur. 187 pages. Rs. 6.00.)

A copy of the first (1970) edition has been catalogued by Hathi Trust, confirms all details, including compilation by "Nikalank", assumed to be Sw Niklank Bharti, never mind "pseud."

Several sources indicate a 1994 edition from Diamond but they likely have their source in G**gle Books, which shows a pub date of 2004 inside (while claiming 1994 outside). -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 04:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

The 1974 edition

There is potentially much information to be teased out from the info pages of this odd edition. First though, it must be said that "1974" is just a guess. Nowhere is that explicitly stated, nor is there info that points unequivocally to that date. But there are a few things that make it highly likely as a close approximation.

First is the copyright, assigned to "Rajneesh Foundations [sic] Bombay, formerly known as Jeevan Jagruti Kendra". According to the wiki's current understanding, the change of name from JJK to RF happened in 1974, precisely (more or less) at the time of the move to Pune. How precisely we can't be sure at this point, but RF in Bombay may not ever have existed as such, so we cannot count on this copyright assignment as proof of anything, just a decent pointer to the time frame of this edition of Pahli Kiran, "decent" because even their unclarity says something about when this occurred.

We have also the three lists of Osho's books, details to follow. Regarding the pub date, the latest item spotted in the lists is the relatively obscure Agyat Ke Nae Aayam (अज्ञात के नए आयाम), published by Yukrand Prakashan in Jul 1973. Other title from first list is Pad Ghunghru Bandh (पद घुंघरू बांध), which published in 1974, so it confirmes pub date of this edition too.

This now-assumed-to-be 1974 edition was published by Pushpi Karyalaya in Allahabad. They seem to have published a few of Osho's books but not many. They are still in business at the same address but now calling themselves Pushpi Offset Publishers and Printers of News Papers, Magazines, Books, Etc. They are still evidently publishing, but not so much books any more. Their main interest previously in publishing books may have been to promote the pulp fiction of one of their managers. "Karyalaya" is an interesting word in this connection, meaning roughly "Abode of Doing", perhaps more idiomatically "Enterprises". Whatever, they seem to have settled mostly on printing and related services.

1974 Pushpi booklists

the non-Pushpi list
Om Prakash Sharma + Osho
the shortest list, and most promoted?

There are three pages in this edition with at least partial lists of Osho's books. The first and most extensive of these seems highly unlikely to be a list of Pushpi's own editions, since the other two lists are both shorter and more oriented towards Pushpi's particular interests, and the extensive list has only Osho, including some fairly obscure booklets that have not been touched by other non-"house" publishers. It seems safe to accept it for now as an attempt to compile a complete list for the edification of those readers more deeply interested in Osho's works than what Pushpi can provide. We can call it the non-Pushpi list. There are prices listed with them though, so perhaps book-selling is another of Pushpi's enterprises.

The second page features mainly the writings of Om Prakash Sharma, a churner-outer of some 450 detective novels. Osho's books on the page are rather fewer, but may represent Pushpi's entire output of his work, eleven in all, including three titles the wiki had never heard of:

A fourth title, Yaun-Shakti (यौन-शक्ति), was thought at first also to be new but then was found, and when looked into turned out to have a reference to Aap Kahan Hain.

There are a couple of Bollywood film-related titles as well to round out this page. All Osho titles on this page are being offered for four rupees, save Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी) -- or might that be the mysterious Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi 2 (मैं कहता आंखन देखी २)? -- for only three rupees.

"Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi 2" is expanded 43-chapter edition of "Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi".--DhyanAntar 17:08, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

The third page features only three Osho titles, in fact three of the above for the same four rupees. The other authors named include Om Prakash and also a "Surendra Allahabadi", referring to whom they say, "a new undertaking (karyalaya) of Major", this "Major" likely being Surendra Kumar Agrawal, the name on the masthead preceding "Pushpi Karyalaya" in the publisher credits.

This makes Pushpi a true Vanity Press! And therefore, we have to wonder about their agenda in promoting and publishing Osho. -- doofus-9 07:41, 2 May 2019 (UTC)