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There are now two sources for the discourse dates for ''Koplen'', [[Doc X (source document)|"Doc X"]] and the ebook at Osho World. Doc X indicates only a range of dates, Jul 31, 1986 to Aug 9, while OW is much more specific. The last chapter in OW comes after Aug 9. Otherwise they agree, so the OW info will be reproduced below. | |||
About the title, it is said that it derives from a song by Mehdi Hassan, reportedly one of Osho's favourite singers. It relates to coming back to India. The lines with the title in it go: | |||
About the title, it is said that it derives from a song by Mehdi | |||
:कोंपलें फिर फूट आईं शाख़ पर कहना उसे | :कोंपलें फिर फूट आईं शाख़ पर कहना उसे | ||
:वो न समझा है न समझेगा मगर कहना उसे | :वो न समझा है न समझेगा मगर कहना उसे | ||
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:("konpalen" being an alternative transliteration of "koplen") | :("konpalen" being an alternative transliteration of "koplen") | ||
::These lines from Mehdi Hassan's song provide a glimpse of a more personal resonance with Osho's experience regarding a theme that seems to connect all three of his World Tour Hindi books. (The other two are ''[[Phir Patton Ki Panjeb Baji (फिर पत्तों की पांजेब बजी)]]'' and ''[[Phir Amrit Ki Boond Padi (फिर अमरित की बूंद पड़ी) (11 talks)]]''). All three of these books have the word "Phir" in the title, meaning among other things, "again", and they are Osho's only titles to use this word, as if underlining the specialness of coming back to this place, the land of ''[[India My Love]]'', ''[[Mera Swarnim Bharat (मेरा स्वर्णिम भारत)]]'' and ''[[Bharat Ek Sanatan Yatra (भारत एक सनातन यात्रा)]]''. -- added doofus-9 23:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Time and place info from ebook and where it is found therein: | |||
:Ch 1: 31 Jul 1986 3:30 pm at Sumila, Suraj Prakash's house (p 1, no ch title given) | |||
:Ch 2: 1 Aug 1986 4:00 pm Sumila (p 16, title matches ch 2 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 3: 2 Aug 1986 3:30 pm Sumila (p 26, no title given) | |||
:Ch 4: apparently not included in ebook | |||
:Ch 5: 3 Aug 1986 3:30 pm Sumila (p 39, title matches ch 5 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 6: 4 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 51, title matches ch 6 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 7: 5 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 65, title matches ch 7 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 8: 6 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 80, title matches ch 8 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 9: 7 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 98, title matches ch 9 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 10: 8 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 112, title matches ch 10 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 11: 9 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 132, title matches ch 11 in TOC) | |||
:Ch 12: 15 Aug 1986 no time or place given (p 150, title matches ch 12 in TOC): | |||
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:2 | This is some fairly complete and internally consistent info for an ebook and fits well with other info, so it may as well be adopted. We might scratch our heads about poor chapter 4, why it is not in the ebook and when could it have been but since the titles match so well with the other source, not much of a problem. Must have been evening of Aug 2 or morning of Aug 3. -- [[User:Sarlo|doofus-9]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 18:50, 13 October 2014 (PDT) | ||
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See also [[Talk:Press Conferences in Hindi]]. | |||
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: | Following are the chapters of ''Koplen'' which were translated in part or completely in ''[[The Diamond Sword]]'': | ||
{| class="wikitable" | |||
|- | |||
: | | ch 1 Q1 & Q3 || ch 8 Q2 & Q3 | ||
: | |- | ||
| ch 2 all || ch 9 Q1 | |||
|- | |||
| ch 3 Q4 || ch 10 Q 1-3 | |||
|- | |||
| ch 5 Q2 || ch 11 Q3 | |||
|- | |||
| ch 6 all || ch 12 all | |||
|} | |||
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Found this on YouTube: Osho back to India, Mumbai after world tour 1986 pt3. Apparently lots more from "Rajendra Kumar Agrawal". --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 19:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
:{{#ev:youtube|xb8N9uB8Ve0|400}} | |||
This video has now been taken down by [[Osho International Foundation]]. Two videos (Kople Phir Phoot Aayen #1 - part 2 and part 3) are available in a certain collection. --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 07:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
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Latest revision as of 03:56, 14 March 2021
There are now two sources for the discourse dates for Koplen, "Doc X" and the ebook at Osho World. Doc X indicates only a range of dates, Jul 31, 1986 to Aug 9, while OW is much more specific. The last chapter in OW comes after Aug 9. Otherwise they agree, so the OW info will be reproduced below.
About the title, it is said that it derives from a song by Mehdi Hassan, reportedly one of Osho's favourite singers. It relates to coming back to India. The lines with the title in it go:
- कोंपलें फिर फूट आईं शाख़ पर कहना उसे
- वो न समझा है न समझेगा मगर कहना उसे
- (konpalen phir phoot aayeen, shaakh par, kahnaa use
- woh na samjha hai, na samjhega, magar kahnaa use)
- (Tell her/him fresh buds are sprouting again on the branches.
- S/he has not understood and will not understand, but tell her/him anyway.)
- ("konpalen" being an alternative transliteration of "koplen")
- These lines from Mehdi Hassan's song provide a glimpse of a more personal resonance with Osho's experience regarding a theme that seems to connect all three of his World Tour Hindi books. (The other two are Phir Patton Ki Panjeb Baji (फिर पत्तों की पांजेब बजी) and Phir Amrit Ki Boond Padi (फिर अमरित की बूंद पड़ी) (11 talks)). All three of these books have the word "Phir" in the title, meaning among other things, "again", and they are Osho's only titles to use this word, as if underlining the specialness of coming back to this place, the land of India My Love, Mera Swarnim Bharat (मेरा स्वर्णिम भारत) and Bharat Ek Sanatan Yatra (भारत एक सनातन यात्रा). -- added doofus-9 23:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
Time and place info from ebook and where it is found therein:
- Ch 1: 31 Jul 1986 3:30 pm at Sumila, Suraj Prakash's house (p 1, no ch title given)
- Ch 2: 1 Aug 1986 4:00 pm Sumila (p 16, title matches ch 2 in TOC)
- Ch 3: 2 Aug 1986 3:30 pm Sumila (p 26, no title given)
- Ch 4: apparently not included in ebook
- Ch 5: 3 Aug 1986 3:30 pm Sumila (p 39, title matches ch 5 in TOC)
- Ch 6: 4 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 51, title matches ch 6 in TOC)
- Ch 7: 5 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 65, title matches ch 7 in TOC)
- Ch 8: 6 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 80, title matches ch 8 in TOC)
- Ch 9: 7 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 98, title matches ch 9 in TOC)
- Ch 10: 8 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 112, title matches ch 10 in TOC)
- Ch 11: 9 Aug 1986 7:00 pm Sumila (p 132, title matches ch 11 in TOC)
- Ch 12: 15 Aug 1986 no time or place given (p 150, title matches ch 12 in TOC):
This is some fairly complete and internally consistent info for an ebook and fits well with other info, so it may as well be adopted. We might scratch our heads about poor chapter 4, why it is not in the ebook and when could it have been but since the titles match so well with the other source, not much of a problem. Must have been evening of Aug 2 or morning of Aug 3. -- doofus-9 (talk) 18:50, 13 October 2014 (PDT)
See also Talk:Press Conferences in Hindi.
Following are the chapters of Koplen which were translated in part or completely in The Diamond Sword:
| ch 1 Q1 & Q3 | ch 8 Q2 & Q3 |
| ch 2 all | ch 9 Q1 |
| ch 3 Q4 | ch 10 Q 1-3 |
| ch 5 Q2 | ch 11 Q3 |
| ch 6 all | ch 12 all |
Found this on YouTube: Osho back to India, Mumbai after world tour 1986 pt3. Apparently lots more from "Rajendra Kumar Agrawal". --Sugit (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
This video has now been taken down by Osho International Foundation. Two videos (Kople Phir Phoot Aayen #1 - part 2 and part 3) are available in a certain collection. --Sugit (talk) 07:55, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
