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There are also stated a few places. Sarlo, if you will have some time, please look at them in the PDF.--DhyanAntar 17:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC) | There are also stated a few places. Sarlo, if you will have some time, please look at them in the PDF.--DhyanAntar 17:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC) | ||
<nowiki>**</nowiki> = letterhead has been transcribed, purports to be location, very likely (95%) is if Woodland, somewhat less likely (~70%?) if Jabalpur, due to much more frequent travel in earlier days. | <nowiki>**</nowiki> = letterhead has been transcribed, purports to be location, very likely (95%) is if Woodland, somewhat less likely (~70%?) if Jabalpur, due to much more frequent travel in earlier days. | ||
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On the title page opposite the pub info (image right, click to enlarge), there is a mysterious description of the book -- भगवान् श्री द्वारा कपिल-कुसुम को लिखे गये २७ पत्रों का संकलन -- which indicates that there are only 27 letters, not 68. Will inquire. -- doofus-9 17:05, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Shailendra throws some light:
"Prem Ke Swar - was originally a small booklet of 27 letters only, written to Kapil & Kusum. Now the plan is to add all the unpublished letters in upcoming edition. First 27 letters are written to Kapil and Kusum, Rest (28-68) are written to Ma Yoga Sohan, Ma Prem Urmila, Shree Deriya Ji and other seekers."--DhyanAntar 17:37, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Ma Prem Urmila, shouldn't that be Ma Anand Urmila? --Sugit (talk) 11:33, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Ha! That didn't take long. In fact, this makes the mysterious middle part, "to Kapil-Kusum", clearer too. Dhanyavaad! (Possibly he meant Ma Anand Urmila?) -- doofus-9 18:57, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Now the TOC has showed up-- doofus-9 08:02, 18 October 2018 (UTC):
- अंतर्वस्तु (TOC)
- 1. हृदय में परमात्मा की गहरी प्यास
- 2. प्रेम असम्भव को भी सम्भव बना देता है
- 3. तुम दोनों को मेरा बहुत-सारा काम करना है
- 4. गीत की कड़ियाँ सुनाई पड़ती हैं
- 5. उसके प्रेम का सागर अनन्त है
- 6. मौन की भी अपनी भाषा है
- 7. बेशर्त प्रेम ही तो उसे पाने की शर्त है
- 8. मैं ठहरा अग्रही--इसलिए याद कर रहा हूँ
- 9. शब्द से मुक्ति ही सत्य है
- 10. तैरना नहीं है, बस बहना है
- 11. तू प्यास ही बनती जा रही है
- 12. प्रतीक्षा ही करता रहा
- 13. उसकी करुणा की वर्षा तो होगी ही
- 14. इधर मैं मिटा, उधर वह हुआ
- 15. जिन खोजा तिन पाइयां
- 16. पदार्थ में परमात्मा मिलता है
- 17. आकार ही निराकार हो जाता है
- 18. खाली हो, रिक्त हो, शून्य बन
- 19. प्रभु की यात्रा सीढ़ियों की नहीं है
- 20. ध्यान जारी रखना
- 21. संसार है निर्वाण
- 22. शब्द सत्यों के धोखे बन जाते हैं
- 23. तेरा सारा अस्तित्व ही सागर में है
- 24. वही है, वही है-सब ओर वही है
- 25. स्वनिर्मित कारागृह में कैद आदमी
- 26. संकल्प से हिमालय भी झुक जाता है
- 27. जीवन नृत्य है
Facsimiles of the manuscripts have surfaced, see correspondence 20-10-2018 6:48UTC "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (31)". --Sugit (talk) 09:28, 30 October 2018 (UTC)
Why is that not first edition?--DhyanAntar 09:22, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
It seems letter 18 (in above correspondence under titles "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (20)A" and B) is incomplete in the book: missing P.S. on second sheet (back).
The same case with letter 10 (i can't say what titles of these two images in correspondence as i renamed them already): P.S. on back sheet is not found in the book, i.e. unpublished.
Dates from manuscripts:
- 1) 25.04.1969
- 2) 02.07.1969
- 3) 07.08.1969
- 4) 07.08.1969
- 5) 24.08.1969
- 6) 30.08.1969
- 7) (unidentified what letter is)
- 8) 23.10.1969
- 9) 03.11.1969
- 10) 19.11.1969
- 11) (no date in manuscript; Shailendra PDF - 29.11.1969)
- 12) 02.12.1969
- 13) 16.02.1970
- 14) 08.04.1970
- 15) 25.04.1970
- 16) 01.05.1970
- 17) 13.05.1970
- 18) 17.05.1970
- 19) 10.06.1970
- 20) 29.06.1970*
- 21) 17.11.1970
- 22) 26.11.1970
- 23) 16.01.1971
- 24) 25.02.1971
- 25) 07.03.1971
- 26) 08.03.1971
- 27) 13.03.1971
- * Date of Letter 20: manuscript - 29.06.1970 (under title "Letter to Kapil & Kusum (22)"), Shailendra's PDF - 26.06.1970. Perhaps second source has the typo.
Ch 28-32 much longer, undated, unaddressed, appear not to be letters. All other dates above confirmed by Shailendra's PDF. Below are the rest of the dates from the PDF (only found there) plus other info extracted:
- 33) 30.08.1966 to Sohan, mentions Sep 14 as earliest possible time in Pune, apparently written from Jablapur
- 34) 27.08.1966 to Sohan, mentions having been in Nepanagar (MP) and going to Indore Sep 2
- 35) no info
- 36) 08.07.1965 om to Sohan
- 37) 11.07.1965 to Sohan, written from Kareli (MP), will speak there that night
- 38) 08.09.1963 pm to Sundarlal, likely not Lala Sundarlal Jain, written from Indore, mentions a visit to Jalgaon (MH) set for 21-22 Sep
- 39) 03.12.1963 om to unknown
- 40) 08.03.1971 no info, location probably Woodland **
- 41) 16.06.1963 am to Hariram ji Aasaliya, location probably Jabalpur **
- 42) 08.04.1970 to unknown, location probably Jabalpur **
- 43) 12.01.1966 om first contact letter to Urmila, location Yogesh Bhavan, Jabalpur, mentions leaving for Surat Jan 23, returning Jan 27
- 44) missing
- 45) 08.10.1966 to Urmila, location probably Jabalpur
- 46) 11.10.1966 am to Urmila, location probably Jabalpur, mentions going to Aurangabad today, ret Oct 16, going to Matheran Oct 21, ret Oct 30
- 47) 27.05.1967 to Urmila, location Jabalpur
- 48) 19.06.1967 to Urmila, location Jabalpur, mentions he will be there Jul 2-9 and 14-21
- 49) 17.07.1967 to Urmila, location probably Jabalpur
- 50) 10.09.1967 to Urmila's husband RG?
- 51) 08.12.1967 to Urmila, location probably Jabalpur, mentions coming to Pune in Mar
- 52) 24.02.1971 to Urmila, location probably Mumbai
- 53) 22.11.1969 to "Bharati", location possibly Mumbai (JJK Mumbai letterhead)
- 54) 30.05.1970 to "Bharati"
- 55) 21.07.1970 to "Bharati" re birthday
- 56) 23.09.1957 (nb correct date!) to "Deriya ji", location Sanskrit College Raipur, mentions coming "home" (to Jabalpur) Oct 5-6
- 58) 29.01.1960
- 59) 05.07.1957
- 60) 03.03.1960
- 61) 15.08.1957
- 62) 19.01.1960
- 63) 21.08.1960
- 64) 06.09.1960
- 65) 25.02.1963
- 66) 10.08.1963 am
- 67) 10.09.1965
There are also stated a few places. Sarlo, if you will have some time, please look at them in the PDF.--DhyanAntar 17:02, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
** = letterhead has been transcribed, purports to be location, very likely (95%) is if Woodland, somewhat less likely (~70%?) if Jabalpur, due to much more frequent travel in earlier days.
The Move
Prior to now there has been some unclarity concerning the title of this book; specifically, it was thought that there were two books using the same title. This book of letters was designated Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर) (2) and the presumed other Prem Ke Swar (प्रेम के स्वर). In the Notes for the other, it was said, "There are two new (previously unlisted) Hindi books with this title, a book of letters and this one, said to be 'written' by Ma Anand Urmila. 'Written' is presumably in the same sense that she is the writer of Shanti Ki Khoj (शांति की खोज), ie she is transcribing from memory what Osho has said. In Shanti Ki Khoj, her reportage was validated by Osho; the same standard is presumed here. In fact the cover says nothing about her, with the author being indicated as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh".
In fact, the supposed cover, pub info and contents pages for that (non-existent) book were the same as this book, same pub date, even the same obscure printer in Varanasi, so it is no wonder that the author was indicated as Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh. I have searched the net today for any evidence that could justify this two-book idea and was unable to find any, so the other will be retired and this book moved to take its rightful place. -- doofus-9 05:59, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
