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The last chapter of each is a collection of some 39 letters on the subject to various early sannyasins and other seekers. All but seven have named addressees but none are dated. Some may have appeared elsewhere. The name of the chapter may be of interest: transliterated, it reads Patra- | The last chapter of each is a collection of some 39 letters on the subject to various early sannyasins and other seekers. All but seven have named addressees but none are dated. Some may have appeared elsewhere. The name of the chapter may be of interest: transliterated, it reads Patra-Patheya. Patra is simple enough, meaning letter(s), but Patheya seems to be a fairly uncommon word, not known by all dictionaries, meaning roughly "provisions for the journey." | ||
The note in the e-book about Chaitanya Keerti (author of the preface) states that he is editor of Osho Times International, which dates it after sometime in 1989, which suggests an edition in between the 1972 and 2007 ones. Possibly. It is not known whether this or another preface appears in the Diamond edition, as the pages in that part of the book are not shown. | The note in the e-book about Chaitanya Keerti (author of the preface) states that he is editor of Osho Times International, which dates it after sometime in 1989, which suggests an edition in between the 1972 and 2007 ones. Possibly. It is not known whether this or another preface appears in the Diamond edition, as the pages in that part of the book are not shown. | ||
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:''[[Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी)|Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi]]'' pravachan 34. | :''[[Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi (मैं कहता आंखन देखी)|Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi]]'' pravachan 34. | ||
Pravachan means discourse. This clearly makes this book out to be a compilation, | Pravachan means discourse. This clearly makes this book out to be a compilation, with a complication, namely that the ''MKAD'' discourse #34 mentioned has the same title as ch 1 in both TOC's above, so it's all a bit self-referential, with which one being a part of the other a bit unclear. | ||
--- | Meanwhile, it does not necessarily mean the whole book is a compilation. In fact, there are three audio discourses being offered for ''Nav-Sannyas'' in osho.com's audiobook section, and their titles correspond to #2 & 5 in the e-book (#7 & 8 in the Diamond book), and one not in the e-book (#9 in Diamond). | ||
So the latest picture is part compilation of bits that may appear elsewhere, part original and unique talks, part letters and perhaps other material. -- updated doofus-9 21:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC) | |||
Revision as of 21:45, 26 February 2017
Dates for talks and letters in this book are not known but letters at least appear to be in the period from September 1970, when Osho first gave sannyas "officially", to 1972. Source for the info on the 1972 edition is Neeten's Osho Source Book (Bibliography section).
In fact, there are a number of entries in Neeten's Biblio and Appendix sections that merit attention. Not all will be correct, since he has gathered material uncritically from many sources and at this point it is still largely unprocessed. But his sources for the Biblio are reasonably solid. Included are citations for variations on the title, which mean the same and have a good chance of being related. They are reproduced here:
- ≤ 1965, Jabalpur: Naye Sannyas (Neo-Sannyas)
- 1972: Naira-sannyasa kya? Bombay, Jevan Jagruti Kendra, 1972. 269 p. 21½ cm. Rs. 7.00. (NL Hindi card cat.; INB 1973: Nav-sannyas kya? comp. by Ma Yog Kranti; ed. by Svami Yog Cinmay. Bombay, Jivan jagriti kendra, 1972. 7.00. (H-73) 294.54 [1])
This second, more complicated entry indicates "'Naira'-sannyasa kya?" derives from the 1972 Nav-Sannyas Kya?, though naira is a word not encountered elsewhere, likely a transliteration problem or perhaps a non-Hindi word. Taking it at face value, since it is from the national library database, we have used its data for the article page here.
Also from Neeten in his Appendix, an individual discourse citation:
- Nav Sannyas Kya. 23.12.1969pm. Lonavala.
There are two versions of TOC here, one from the G**gle Books peek inside the Diamond edition, one from the e-book, with a few notes below.
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Diamond 2007
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The last chapter of each is a collection of some 39 letters on the subject to various early sannyasins and other seekers. All but seven have named addressees but none are dated. Some may have appeared elsewhere. The name of the chapter may be of interest: transliterated, it reads Patra-Patheya. Patra is simple enough, meaning letter(s), but Patheya seems to be a fairly uncommon word, not known by all dictionaries, meaning roughly "provisions for the journey."
The note in the e-book about Chaitanya Keerti (author of the preface) states that he is editor of Osho Times International, which dates it after sometime in 1989, which suggests an edition in between the 1972 and 2007 ones. Possibly. It is not known whether this or another preface appears in the Diamond edition, as the pages in that part of the book are not shown.
There were two chapters in the Diamond edition not found in the e-book, 6 & 9. And at end of ch 1 in the Diamond edition is a note. Transliterated, it reads:
- Nav-Sannyas Kya? :
- Krishna Smriti pravachan 22 /
- Main Kahta Aankhan Dekhi pravachan 34.
Pravachan means discourse. This clearly makes this book out to be a compilation, with a complication, namely that the MKAD discourse #34 mentioned has the same title as ch 1 in both TOC's above, so it's all a bit self-referential, with which one being a part of the other a bit unclear.
Meanwhile, it does not necessarily mean the whole book is a compilation. In fact, there are three audio discourses being offered for Nav-Sannyas in osho.com's audiobook section, and their titles correspond to #2 & 5 in the e-book (#7 & 8 in the Diamond book), and one not in the e-book (#9 in Diamond).
So the latest picture is part compilation of bits that may appear elsewhere, part original and unique talks, part letters and perhaps other material. -- updated doofus-9 21:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
