Talk:Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया)
The (partial) e-book at Osho World and other fine sites which have copied from it does a lot to confirm the basic structure of Dekh, and likely its one-time publication. It is unusual in these e-books to have such a clear TOC, with page numbers and sections. Unfortunately, it does not have the whole book's text, only about one quarter of it, and in that only three dates and places for the talks, but that too helps to confirm its basic era. Neeten's Appendix section also has a couple of mentions of Dekh: one with dates overlapping those of the e-book gives four talks on Dec 2 and 3, 1968. They fit very well if applied to the first four chapters. Neeten's other mention is more of a smilie-btw: the soundtrack of that Bollywood flick was among Osho's collection of LP's that he listened to regularly in the 60s.
The e-book's TOC below appears after the foreword. Two systems of page numbers are referenced in it: The main one gives page numbers for each of the thirty chapters, and strongly suggests a one-time hard copy of the three-in-one version of Dekh. The sporadic one, with numbers in parentheses, references pages of the e-book where particular info is found. -- doofus-9 (talk) 17:06, 20 December 2014 (PST)
Shailendra has come along with some info on Dekh. He says that discourse #21 is Where Are the Gandhians?, putting it on Jul 19, 1969. This has more or less been confirmed via audio research, and for that matter, it can be seen in the TOC table below. See WatG's talk page for details.
A second column has been added to the TOC to represent osho.com and Osho World audiobook offerings. Both have discourses in the same order, paralleling that of the e-book, but excluding Aswikriti, which is offered separately by o.com and not at all by OW. Thus the e-book's ch 9 = the audiobook's discourse 1, and so on. They are each missing some chapters / discourses, indicated with an *, but each chapter is available at one or the other, except for #7 & 8 from Aswikriti. -- doofus-9 03:03, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
Chapter number, name, page-numbers in the book | OSHO.com audio | OW audio |
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Foreword by Ashakarana Pathak
Aswikriti Mein Utha Haath (अस्वीकृति में उठा हाथ) |
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Gandhiwaad: Ek Aur Sameeksha (गांधीवाद : एक और समीक्षा) 9. गांधी का चिंतन अवैज्ञानिक है 103-115 -- This chapter goes on from (p 80) to the end of the e-book on (p 114) with no apparent chapter break, so it very likely has incorporated other material, perhaps even the whole of the rest of Gandhiwaad, though the chap 10 and 11 titles were not seen on closer re-inspection. |
1 |
9 |
Dekh Kabira Roya (देख कबीरा रोया) 12. समाजवाद का पहला कदम: पूंजीवाद 147-172 |
4 |
12 |
Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Gandhi par Punar, 1 talk, 07.12.68". It seems ch.27.
Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): 1. Santati Niyaman [Birth Control]; 2) Child Education, 2 talks, 22-26.05.70". Birth control chapter can be ch.28 of Dekh Kabira Roya, ch.2 of Jansankhya Visphot (जनसंख्या विस्फोट), ch.7 of Ek Ek Kadam (एक एक कदम) or ?--DhyanAntar 04:26, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Hindi series of talks with dates (source document): "Gandhi Vadi Kahan Hai?, 1 talk, 19.07.69", confirms ch.21 (see also discussion above). -- doofus-9 21:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Today Shailendra gave dates on two talks:
- Dekh Kabira Roya ch.16 (it is in osho.com audio order because this chapter numbered as ch.24 on OW and in 1979ed., meanwhile 1979ed. confirmes 25 Dec 1969, Ahmedabad): 25 Dec 1969 afternoon, Ahmedabad
- Dekh Kabira Roya ch.17 (it's in osho.com audios order. Numbered as ch.25 on OW and in 1979ed., the latter confirmes 26 Dec 1969, Ahmedabad): 26 Dec 1969 afternoon, Ahmedabad
--DhyanAntar 11:31, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Hindi series of talks with dates 2 (source document): देख कबीरा रोया, 1 talk, Nargol, 5 May 1970. Judging by date and place it should be given in Nargol camp, series Jin Khoja Tin Paiyan (जिन खोजा तिन पाइयां). It is unclear relation it with ch.30.--DhyanAntar 07:49, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
media status
I have added a third column with the numbers of the other OshoWorld audio offering, the free downloads. Numbers with * are missing. It should be checked if these audios really are the same recording. --Sugit (talk) 07:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Shailendra's e-book has the same TOC except the order of first 8 chapters: 1-1, 2-3, 3-5, 4-2, 5-6, 6-7, 7-4, 8-8 .--DhyanAntar 07:51, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
And fwiw, this different order of chapter numbers corresponds to the audiobook offerings on osho.com, EXCEPT that a) they have no #8, b) #6's title is not found in their aggregation, c) they have used #8's title (अँधेरे कूपों मैं हलचल) for their #7 but it is still unavailable, and d) they have made #7 available by making it #4. -- doofus-9 18:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)