Talk:Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2)

This book apparently has nothing to do with Kranti Sutra (क्रांति सूत्र) nor with Kranti-Sutra: Sakshi Bhav (क्रान्ति-सूत्र : साक्षी भाव).

About the "Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or-Iv" added in front of the title in some search results, that version was all that was turning up at first and it caused considerable confusion. Finally the current cover image was found. Though it is still very small, one can see that the Iv is the Roman numeral IV, it applies to SSSKA and not JKKS, and what it actually has to do with Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर), more famously known in the West as From Sex to Superconsciousness, has eventually come to light.

And that is: SSSKA is a compilation of four books, of which JKKS is the fourth. More info about that at the SSSKA discussion page. Questions remain still about how the audio and book versions relate to each other. And there are ten audios available in the free download places, but when packaged as an audiobook, there are only four. And those four have different titles from the titles of the Diamond editions of SSSKA and JKKS (see below), so what to make of that?

Dates for the discourses are now reasonably solid, having been found in Neeten's Osho Source Book Appendix section. The last of those dates, Jun 2, 1969, has also been mentioned by "Doc X". -- Updated doofus-9 (talk) 21:08, 17 November 2014 (PST)

And fwiw, a chapter title comparison: Left column below has the audiobook versions at both Osho World and osho.com, right column the four chapters in the Diamond pb edition:

audiobook titles: 1. पहला सूत्र: जीवन क्या है 2. दूसरा सूत्र: जीवन ऊर्जा के प्रति सजगता   3. तीसरा सूत्र: जीवन ऊर्जा के रूपांतरण 4. चैथा सूत्र: झूठी प्यासों से मुक्ति

Diamond pb titles: 1. सिद्धांत, शरू और वाद से मुक्त्ति   2. भीड़ से, समाज से — दूसरों से मुक्त्ति   3. दमन से मुक्त्ति 4. न भोग, न दमन — वरन् जागरण nb underlined word above could not be rendered   properly from the TOC image in G**gle Books.

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All above was compiled and written in more innocent times. Since then something has come along which turns the whole game upside-down and inside-out, showing that the discrepancy between the titles in the table above is only the tip of a -- dare i use the word? -- serious iceberg. Diamond's four titles turn out also to be audio titles supplied by osho.com for another book, Kranti Sutra (क्रांति सूत्र).

Kranti Sutra in its old iteration already had a substantial split in its identity, namely that the four audio discourses from osho.com did not in any way align with the 22 shortish chapters of the printed version from Diamond, which is fairly similar to Osho World's e-book version. Now with the discovery of its audio titles being identical to Diamond's book titles here, the split has been deemed irredeemable, at least until something else comes to illuminate the matter, and the two faces of Kranti Sutra have bifurcated into two separate books.

With that, we also have to consider the impact on JKKS, this book. The two versions, audio and printed books, cannot easily be reconciled. A bifurcation may have to be considered here as well. Things are in a state of flux for now. Any "Unified Field Theory" of all this frankly dualistic behaviour will need some time (which does not exist) to resolve. Stay tuned! -- doofus-9 (talk) 17:15, 1 May 2015 (UTC)