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Audio for this series was not found widely offered, unlike most series where there may be fifty or more bit-torrent sites offering free downloads. Tao Vision alone claimed to offer eight discourses. The two audiobook sources were the usual, Osho World and osho.com, but were incomplete:
===Current understanding===
This has been possible thanks to the research of [[Sw Antar Rahi]], who has compared the available texts and audio.  


{| class="wikitable" border="1"
Main findings:
* This series has 7 events, not 8.
* Two audios from OW are not in fact from this original series.
 
{| class="wikitable"
! event !! audio OshoWorld !! audio Osho.com !! Shailendra's PDF !! Oshoganga !! dates & places
|-
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 01]] || #1. 68min<br>incomplete || 1. जीवन एक पूजा 68min<br>incomplete || 1. जीवन एक पूजा '''(*1)''' || 1. जीवन एक पूजा '''(*1)''' || unknown
|-
| [[Yuvak Aur Yaun ~ 07]] '''(*2)''' || #2. 71min || ''Yuvak Aur Yaun'' 6. युवा चित्त का जन्म 70min ||
* ''Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or'' 12. युवा चित्त का जन्म
* ''Yuvak Aur Yaun'' 7. युवा चित्त का जन्म
|| ''Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur'' 12. युवा चित्त का जन्म || 20 Aug 1969 pm, [[wikipedia:Ahmedabad | Ahmedabad]]
|-
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 02]] || #3. 63min || 2. जीवन की कला 64min || 2. जीवन की कला || 2. जीवन की कला || unknown
|-
|-
| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Osho World:
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 03]] || #4. 50min<br>incomplete || 3. Talk 3 &nbsp; 49min '''(*3)'''<br>incomplete || 3. अकेले होने का साहस<br>incomplete || 3.अकेले होने का साहस<br>incomplete || unknown
:1. जीवन एक पूजा
|-
:2. जीवन की कला
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 04]] || #5. 11min<br>beginning and end incomplete || 3. Talk 4 &nbsp; 12min '''(*3)'''<br>beginning and end incomplete || 4. सामूहिक जीवन<br>beginning and end incomplete || 4. सामूहिक जीवन<br>beginning and end incomplete || unknown
:5. अंतर की खोज
|-
:6. विचार और अंतर-बोध
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 05]] || #6. 35min || 4. अंतर की खोज 35min '''(*4)''' || 5. अंतर की खोज || 5. अंतर की खोज || unknown
:7. नानक दुखिया सब संसार &nbsp; &nbsp;
|-
:&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 06]] || #7. 69min<br>only beginning incomplete (some untranscribed text in the end) || 5. विचार और अंतर-बोध 70min '''(*4)'''<br>"Incomplete" (beginning incomplete and end incomplete) || 6. विचार और अंतर-बोध<br>beginning incomplete || 6. विचार और अंतर-बोध<br>beginning incomplete || unknown
| &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;osho.com
|-
:1: जीवन एक पूजा 68
| [[Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 07]] ||  || 6. "Audio Not Available" || 7. नानक दुखिया सब संसार || 7. नानक दुखिया सब संसार || unknown
:2: जीवन की कला 64
|-
:3: Talks 3 and 4 61
| [[Sambodhi Ke Kshan ~ 04]] || #8. 75min<br>end can be incomplete || ''Sambodhi Ke Kshan'' 4. क्षण-क्षण जीना 75 min '''(*5)'''<br>end can be incomplete || ''Sambodhi Ke Kshan'' 5. क्षण-क्षण जीना || ''Sambodhi Ke Kshan'' 5. क्षण-क्षण जीना || 1969
:5: अंतर की खोज 35
:6: विचार और अंतर-बोध Incomplete 70 &nbsp;
:7: Audio Not Available
|}
|}
(Numbers after the osho.com discourses signifying minutes). It may or may not be worth noting that the title of discourse seven which OW purports to offer is the series title, ie may be generic filler. -- [[User:Sarlo|Sarlo]] ([[User talk:Sarlo|talk]]) 00:18, 8 August 2014 (PDT)
;notes
: (*1) Shailendra's PDF (from p.17) and Oshoganga has text that missing on audios. It seems it is continuous answer of question being asked before (confirmed by a Hindi friend).
: (*2) See [[Talk:Yuvak Aur Yaun (युवक और यौन)|Talk:Yuvak Aur Yaun]] and [[Talk:Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर)|Talk:Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or]].
: (*3) These two audios are selling as one on osho.com. No title. In the Khajana collection, hearing from the audio, it has clearly been split, with numbers #03 and #04.
: (*4) In the Khajana collection the number is one higher because of the split, see (*3).
: (*5) In Khajana collection it is ''Sambodhi Ke Kshan'' #5.
 
 
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'Could not find relation of this series with ''[[Jeevan Rahasya (जीवन रहस्य)]]'' mentioned in [[Shifting content in Hindi books (source document)]]. It needs to check more sources for research of this relation.--DhyanAntar 04:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 13:17, 5 July 2021

Current understanding

This has been possible thanks to the research of Sw Antar Rahi, who has compared the available texts and audio.

Main findings:

  • This series has 7 events, not 8.
  • Two audios from OW are not in fact from this original series.
event audio OshoWorld audio Osho.com Shailendra's PDF Oshoganga dates & places
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 01 #1. 68min
incomplete		 1. जीवन एक पूजा 68min
incomplete		 1. जीवन एक पूजा (*1) 1. जीवन एक पूजा (*1) unknown
Yuvak Aur Yaun ~ 07 (*2) #2. 71min Yuvak Aur Yaun 6. युवा चित्त का जन्म 70min
  • Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or 12. युवा चित्त का जन्म
  • Yuvak Aur Yaun 7. युवा चित्त का जन्म
 Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Aur 12. युवा चित्त का जन्म 20 Aug 1969 pm, Ahmedabad
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 02 #3. 63min 2. जीवन की कला 64min 2. जीवन की कला 2. जीवन की कला unknown
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 03 #4. 50min
incomplete		 3. Talk 3   49min (*3)
incomplete		 3. अकेले होने का साहस
incomplete		 3.अकेले होने का साहस
incomplete		 unknown
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 04 #5. 11min
beginning and end incomplete		 3. Talk 4   12min (*3)
beginning and end incomplete		 4. सामूहिक जीवन
beginning and end incomplete		 4. सामूहिक जीवन
beginning and end incomplete		 unknown
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 05 #6. 35min 4. अंतर की खोज 35min (*4) 5. अंतर की खोज 5. अंतर की खोज unknown
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 06 #7. 69min
only beginning incomplete (some untranscribed text in the end)		 5. विचार और अंतर-बोध 70min (*4)
"Incomplete" (beginning incomplete and end incomplete)		 6. विचार और अंतर-बोध
beginning incomplete		 6. विचार और अंतर-बोध
beginning incomplete		 unknown
Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar ~ 07 6. "Audio Not Available" 7. नानक दुखिया सब संसार 7. नानक दुखिया सब संसार unknown
Sambodhi Ke Kshan ~ 04 #8. 75min
end can be incomplete		 Sambodhi Ke Kshan 4. क्षण-क्षण जीना 75 min (*5)
end can be incomplete		 Sambodhi Ke Kshan 5. क्षण-क्षण जीना Sambodhi Ke Kshan 5. क्षण-क्षण जीना 1969
notes
(*1) Shailendra's PDF (from p.17) and Oshoganga has text that missing on audios. It seems it is continuous answer of question being asked before (confirmed by a Hindi friend).
(*2) See Talk:Yuvak Aur Yaun and Talk:Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or.
(*3) These two audios are selling as one on osho.com. No title. In the Khajana collection, hearing from the audio, it has clearly been split, with numbers #03 and #04.
(*4) In the Khajana collection the number is one higher because of the split, see (*3).
(*5) In Khajana collection it is Sambodhi Ke Kshan #5.


'Could not find relation of this series with Jeevan Rahasya (जीवन रहस्य) mentioned in Shifting content in Hindi books (source document). It needs to check more sources for research of this relation.--DhyanAntar 04:12, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


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