Feb-Mar-1980 Darshans

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Introduction

In Feb and Mar of 1980, Osho came out to see people in darshan as he usually did before and after this period but the record of these two months' worth of darshans has got scrambled in an unprecedented way in the CD-ROM, which is unfortunately the only record we have.

The two "books" involved are If You Choose to Be with Me, You Must Risk Finding Yourself and Fingers Pointing to the Moon, covering the darshans in Feb and Mar 1980 respectively. "Books" is in quote marks because they were never actually published; only edited transcripts are available, and those only in the CD-ROM. And they have been butchered.

A lot of information has been lost, even how much we don't know. What has happened is that the CD-ROM's edited transcripts are associated with dates that cannot be possible, so actual dates have to be considered unknown. And how much the talks have been cut and edited is also unknown. The CD-ROM's date structure is specifically this:

All the sannyas talks given in Feb, for all 29 nights, have been put -- we have to assume arbitrarily -- into ten chapters. These ten chapters have been assigned dates by the CD-ROM, but most of these dates are wrong, though we can't know which ones are right and which wrong, or what correspondence there might be, if any.

So that researchers can at least know which (wrongly-dated) chapter to find people in, the wiki has compiled lists of every name that survived. It should be noted that most names have not survived. In Feb of that year, many more people were taking sannyas than are represented below, 36 names for the whole month.

There are some clues in the layout of Osho's words in the CD-ROM for these two months. Most paragraphs are separated only by a carriage return. Every so often (approx every 2-7 paragraphs), they are separated by more than that, by a line of space. At the same time as this extra separation occurs, Osho's words change gears, there is a different theme, a different message. This strongly suggests that the extra spaces demarcate one new sannyasin's words from the next. This will give us a strikingly different count, and a good estimate of how many names have been omitted. These spaces are not absolute guidelines, and in some cases, there seems to be a continuity in Osho's message before and after the space, and so the spaces in these cases have not been counted as separative.

Below are the names gathered from Choose and Fingers, with a count of the apparent number of people getting sannyas messages for each chapter. Old names or other identifying info, if available, are in parentheses.

CD-ROM Chapters

If You Choose to Be with Me, You Must Risk Finding Yourself

Fingers Pointing to the Moon

ch 1 -- 35 Denis Barbara Curtis Malcolm Andreas Allen ch 2 -- 27 Tanmaya Samarpito Jan Stefano Sw Deva Spider Rudi Martin [a note that an interview with Sw Bhakta is not included] ch 3 -- 12 an elderly Dutchwoman [a note that an interview with Ma Satya Bharti is not included] ch 4 -- 23 Jos Ma Anand Adriana Hardy ch 5 -- 12 Florian Kabira Chinmayo Paramhansa [notes that p 178 is missing and interviews with Ma Ananda Vandana and Ma Anand Sarita are not included] ch 6 -- 15 Daso [notes that p 195 is missing and interviews with Ma Anand Savita and Ma Prem Divya are not included] ch 7 -- 13 Anugito Anandgit Son Dra [note that interviews with Swami Vedam (music) and Ma Anand Gayan (dance) are not included] ch 8 -- 26 Kent Katja [notes that p 241 is missing and an interview with Ma Deva Tanmayo is not included] ch 9 -- 23 John Yashodhara ch 10 -- 27 Terry Monika Vinod (a ten-year-old) Brigitte Dhyan Jules

ch 1 -- Madhu Rudi Deva Avril Sabine Manfred Govindo Michel ch 2 -- Dipak Ma Anand Teresita Sw Deva Murad (Murad) Donal ch 3 -- Barbara Dionisio Nartano Deva Sangit ch 4 -- Sw Atmo Dieter Bodhicharya Svarupo Sw Buddha Hagen ch 5 -- Ester Beatriz ch 6 -- Yo-ka Manuela Gerald Sw Samarpan Stephen ch 7 -- Ma Surrenda (Surrenda) Sw Veet Sittich (Sittich) Paula Sw Kavyo (Ulrich)