Talk:And Now, And Here, Vol 1
A source stated: "Contains material from The Mysteries of Life and Death." This seems unlikely, as all the material from this book is from that one meditation camp at Dwarka. Instead, The Mysteries of Life and Death clearly consists of ch. 1 and 2 of And Now, And Here, Vol 2.
(But The Mysteries of Life and Death was later published in The Long and the Short and the All Ch. 5.) --Sugit (talk) 14:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
Neeten's Osho Source Book has Mysteries as a part of And Now, And Here, Vol 2, or more precisely, he says that ch 1 of Vol 2 has p 1-35 "only" of Mysteries. He also says it was published whole in Long and Short. The 1971 date is a pub date, not a discourse date. It now appears more accurate to say that Main Mrityu Sikhata Hun (मैं मृत्यु सिखाता हूं), the source of And Now, And Here, Vol 1 and And Now, And Here, Vol 2, is the source of Mysteries, rather than any edition or volume number of And Now, And Here "contains material from" it. Mysteries apparently has other sources than ch 1 of Vol 2 but they are just as likely bits from other chapters of Mrityu as from some independent source. And i'd say that this usage, "contains material from," simply reflects the fact that Mysteries was first published so much earlier than And Now, And Here, and possibly before Mrityu.
The other major source on this is the CD-ROM. According to it, the text for ch 8 of the combined And Now, And Here (15 talks), which is the first chapter of Vol 2, is close to identical to the long, uninterrupted part of ch 5 of Long and Short, which pretty much nails that connection. And Vol 2 is not given at Dwarka but Mumbai, starting on Nov 4, 1969, a few days after the Dwarka camp.
Neeten and other sources also say that And Now, And Here also "contains material from" The Gateless Gate – actually the CD-ROM hedges its bets and says "possibly" re Gateless. That (possible) connection is a whole other can of worms to be explored at another time. -- Sarlo (talk) 09:12, 15 September 2014 (PDT)
There is the comparison of Hindi and English chapters (for English books used joint numbering):
| Main Mrityu Sikhata Hun (मैं मृत्यु सिखाता हूं) | And Now, And Here, Vol 1 & And Now, And Here, Vol 2 |
| ch.1 | ch.8 (Vol 2 ch.1) |
| ch.2 | ch.9 (Vol 2 ch.2) |
| ch.3 | ch.1 |
| ch.4 | ch.2 |
| ch.5 | ch.3 |
| ch.6 | ch.4 |
| ch.7 | ch.5 |
| ch.8 | ch.6 |
| ch.9 | ch.7 |
| ch.10 | ch.10 (Vol 2 ch.3) |
| ch.11 | ch.11 (Vol 2 ch.4) |
| ch.12 | ch.12 (Vol 2 ch.5) |
| ch.13 | ch.13 (Vol 2 ch.6) |
| ch.14 | ch.14 (Vol 2 ch.7) |
| ch.15 | ch.15 (Vol 2 ch.8) |
Thus, first 9 chapters are not in order. I am curious about the real order of audios.--DhyanAntar 16:39, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
