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== Current understanding ==
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! event !! audio,<br>OshoWorld !! audio,<br>Osho.com !! e-book,<br>OshoWorld<br>(no ch.-titles) !! Shailendra's e-book !! Dates & Places
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 01]] || #1 || Anand Ki Khoj: 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं || ch 1 || Anand Ki Khoj: 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं ||
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 02]] || #2 || Anand Ki Khoj: 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है || ch 2 || Anand Ki Khoj: 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है ||
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 03]] || #3 || 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? || ch 3 || 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? || 28 Jun 1967 am, Naginchand, [[wikipedia:Surat | Surat]]
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 04]] || #4 || 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता || ch 4 || 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता || 28 Jun 1967 pm, [[wikipedia:Surat | Surat]]
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 05]] || #5 || 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार || ch 5 || 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार || 29 Jun 1967 am, [[wikipedia:Surat | Surat]]
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 06]] || #6 || 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? || ch 6 || 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? || 30 Jun 1967 am, [[wikipedia:Surat | Surat]]
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 07]] || #7 || Satya Ka Darshan: 5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र<br>(on 27 Apr 2020)(*1) || ch 7 || Satya Ka Darshan: 6. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र || 7 Sep 1967 am, HK Arts College, Ahmedabad
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 08]] || #8 || Jeevan Ki Kala: 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन || ch 8 || Jeevan Ki Kala: 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन ||
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 09]] || #9 || Anand Ki Khoj: 3. विश्वास सबसे बड़ा बंधन || ch 9 || Anand Ki Khoj: 3. विश्वास--सबसे बड़ा बंधन ||
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| [[Antar Ki Khoj ~ 10]] || #10 || Anand Ki Khoj: 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें || ch 10 || Anand Ki Khoj: 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें ||
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'''Remarks:'''
:(*1) this audio in 2010 o.com collection is listed as #6 (of 6).
== Old delibaration ==
As free downloads, all ten audios are available in a number of places, but audiobooks for sale are offered only by Osho World and osho.com, and those both have only these four discourses:  
As free downloads, all ten audios are available in a number of places, but audiobooks for sale are offered only by Osho World and osho.com, and those both have only these four discourses:  


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All presumed to be in Surat, especially since the bumpf has four talks there and ''Agyat's'' talk is. -- doofus-9 06:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
All presumed to be in Surat, especially since the bumpf has four talks there and ''Agyat's'' talk is. -- doofus-9 06:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
:To be perfectly clear, the "other series", ''Agyat'', has only one talk at present in this time frame, and it fits decently, without a struggle, on 29 Jun 1967 pm. We now also have partial info from [[Manuscripts ~ Reports Timeline Extraction#B Sheets (B-1 to B-13V)]] indicating at least three talks in Surat 28-30 Jun (without specifying titles). It looks like four talks in Surat is pretty believable. About the ten talks, it is certainly more complicated and messier, but there is a source ... See below for more. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
:To be perfectly clear, the "other series", ''Agyat'', has only one talk at present in this time frame, and it fits decently, without a struggle, on 29 Jun 1967 pm. We now also have partial info from [[Manuscripts ~ Reports Timeline Extraction#B Sheets (B-1 to B-13V)]] indicating at least three talks in Surat 28-30 Jun (without specifying titles). It looks like four talks in Surat is pretty believable. About the ten talks, it is certainly more complicated and messier, but there is a source ... See below for more. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
== media status ==
There are 10 audios at OshoWorld. osho.com has 4 with this title. From the duration, these could correspond to OW's #03 - #06.
osho.com also has 4 titled ''[[Anand Ki Khoj (आनंद की खोज)]]'', these could correspond to this series #01, #02, #09 and #10.
Furthermore, there also seems to be a relation with ''[[Satya Ka Darshan (सत्य का दर्शन)]]'': see [[Talk:Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र)#media status|Talk:Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra]].
It needs to be researched what is what. <!--tagSugitQ1 -->  --[[User:Sugit|Sugit]] ([[User talk:Sugit|talk]]) 12:25, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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''Anand Ki Khoj'' is mentioned above. Its four chapters are linked in "Shifting content" to the four mentioned of ''Antar's'' chapters. And ''Antar's'' ch 7 is the same as ''Satya'' ch 6, leaving only ''Antar'' ch 8, which is the same as ''[[Jeevan Ki Kala (जीवन की कला)]]'' ch 2, which is available in audio at osho.com. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
''Anand Ki Khoj'' is mentioned above. Its four chapters are linked in "Shifting content" to the four mentioned of ''Antar's'' chapters. And ''Antar's'' ch 7 is the same as ''Satya'' ch 6, leaving only ''Antar'' ch 8, which is the same as ''[[Jeevan Ki Kala (जीवन की कला)]]'' ch 2, which is available in audio at osho.com. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
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8th audio checked and it confirmes that: ''Jeevan Ki Kala'' ch 2 is ''Anand Ki Khoj'' ch 8.--DhyanAntar 04:25, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Revision as of 07:27, 27 April 2020

Current understanding

event audio,
OshoWorld
audio,
Osho.com
e-book,
OshoWorld
(no ch.-titles)
Shailendra's e-book Dates & Places
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 01 #1 Anand Ki Khoj: 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं ch 1 Anand Ki Khoj: 1. शब्दों से मुक्त हो जाएं
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 02 #2 Anand Ki Khoj: 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है ch 2 Anand Ki Khoj: 2. जीवंत शांति शक्तिशाली है
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 03 #3 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? ch 3 1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं? 28 Jun 1967 am, Naginchand, Surat
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 04 #4 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता ch 4 2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता 28 Jun 1967 pm, Surat
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 05 #5 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार ch 5 3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार 29 Jun 1967 am, Surat
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 06 #6 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? ch 6 4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं? 30 Jun 1967 am, Surat
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 07 #7 Satya Ka Darshan: 5. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र
(on 27 Apr 2020)(*1)
ch 7 Satya Ka Darshan: 6. स्वतंत्रता के सूत्र 7 Sep 1967 am, HK Arts College, Ahmedabad
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 08 #8 Jeevan Ki Kala: 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन ch 8 Jeevan Ki Kala: 2. दृष्टि का परिवर्तन
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 09 #9 Anand Ki Khoj: 3. विश्वास सबसे बड़ा बंधन ch 9 Anand Ki Khoj: 3. विश्वास--सबसे बड़ा बंधन
Antar Ki Khoj ~ 10 #10 Anand Ki Khoj: 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें ch 10 Anand Ki Khoj: 4. आदर्शों को मत थोपें

Remarks:

(*1) this audio in 2010 o.com collection is listed as #6 (of 6).

Old delibaration

As free downloads, all ten audios are available in a number of places, but audiobooks for sale are offered only by Osho World and osho.com, and those both have only these four discourses:

प्रवचन (TOC):
1. क्या आपके द्वार खुले हुए हैं?
2. धर्म भय पर खड़ा नहीं हो सकता
3. विश्वास, श्रद्धा और विचार
4. वस्त्र आपकी पहचान तो नहीं?

The bumpf from OW indicates the four talks were given in Surat. The other six? ¿Quien sabe? E-book has no further data but is long and complete, ie ten discourses. -- Sarlo (talk) 20:10, 8 July 2014 (PDT)


Dates and Places info from Jagdish is a bit crowded with info on another series, Talk:Agyat Ki Or (अज्ञात की ओर), but doable. So be it.

1. 28 Jun 1967 am Naginchand, Surat
2. 28 Jun 1967 pm
3. 29 Jun 1967 am
4. 30 Jun 1967 am

All presumed to be in Surat, especially since the bumpf has four talks there and Agyat's talk is. -- doofus-9 06:23, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

To be perfectly clear, the "other series", Agyat, has only one talk at present in this time frame, and it fits decently, without a struggle, on 29 Jun 1967 pm. We now also have partial info from Manuscripts ~ Reports Timeline Extraction#B Sheets (B-1 to B-13V) indicating at least three talks in Surat 28-30 Jun (without specifying titles). It looks like four talks in Surat is pretty believable. About the ten talks, it is certainly more complicated and messier, but there is a source ... See below for more. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Shifting content in Hindi books (source document) has a good account of the 4/10 discrepancy in this funny series, how each of its chapters are connected to other books. It seems reasonable to accept that the four chapters which remain in Antar are the four above given in Surat, and the others ...

Anand Ki Khoj is mentioned above. Its four chapters are linked in "Shifting content" to the four mentioned of Antar's chapters. And Antar's ch 7 is the same as Satya ch 6, leaving only Antar ch 8, which is the same as Jeevan Ki Kala (जीवन की कला) ch 2, which is available in audio at osho.com. -- doofus-9 07:14, 24 June 2019 (UTC)