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The Diamond 2002 edition is all we have so far of this book. Below is a table of which dates of letters are found on which pages of that book, based on scans of the book. It is to be noted that many pages in the early part of the book are inscrutable, ie will need a real Hindi reader to determine their content, as they may not be letters but long text passages put together somehow by someone.  
The Diamond 2002 edition is all we have so far of this book. And that may be all there ever has been. The production standards of the first pages (before p 60) are so different from the last pages (after p 60), it is hard to imagine a preceding "house" edition that Diamond just reproduced whole (more or less), as they have done with most of their Osho books.  


Table entries indicate where passages END, ie where Osho's signature or equivalent appears, with or without a date. ** = Likely too long to be one single letter, whether dated or not. Note also that information between letter content such as dates, location or signature, especially in the earlier pages, may be ambiguous as to which letter it applies to, as there may be no demarcating lines or spacing. Therefore, mistakes may be made. Links will be provided eventually to wiki images of letters, if and when.
It is worth considering that this is a Diamond-only edition, that there is no preceding earlier JJK, RF or Rebel edition. Other indications of that besides the odd production standards are the name on the title page, which is not Osho but "Vikal Gautam". Vikal Gautam also writes a long introduction, after [[Sw Chaitanya Keerti|Keerti's]] short introduction, then come 48 pages of crowded, cramped text, which quotes Osho liberally but is not all him or his letters. So it could easily be a personal initiative of this Vikal Gautam. Only a good reading by a real Hindi speaker will be able to sort out this first section, especially the part before p 25.
 
Below are two tables, one for the first pages <60, the other for the rest of the book, showing which dates of letters are found on which pages of that book, based on scans of the book. -- doofus-9 05:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


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==Earlier pages==
Table entries indicate where passages END, ie where Osho's signature or equivalent appears, with or without a date. ** = Likely too long to be one single letter, whether dated or not. Note also that information between letter content such as dates, location or signature, especially in the earlier pages, may be ambiguous as to which letter it applies to, as there may be no demarcating lines or spacing. Therefore, mistakes may be made. Links will be provided eventually to wiki images of letters, if and when.


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==Later pages==
==Later pages==


From here onward it appears that possibly all pages are in a new format, of just one letter per page, with spacious layout. Therefore, here begins a new table.
From here onward likely all pages in a new spacious format, max one letter per page. So, a new table.


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| 81 || 1961-02-22 ||  || PS, to Padm and Phadke Guruji
| 81 || 1961-02-22 ||  || PS, to Padm and Phadke Guruji
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| 82 || 1961-02-22-xm ||  ||
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| 83 || undated ||  ||
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| 84 || 1961-03-08-am ||  ||
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| 85 || 1961-03-19-pm ||  || rowspan="2"| p 85 & 86 likely one letter running to two pages: no sig on p 85, <br>text runs all the way to bottom, p 86 short, no date, no greeting
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| 86 || undated ||
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| 87 || undated-pm ||  ||
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| 88 || undated ||  || PS format -- to Shri Parakhji, then to Padm, then to Maan, <br>with upcoming dates mentioned at end 28 Mar - 2 Apr
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| 89 || 1961-04-15-am ||  ||
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| 90 || 1961-04-25-om || [[Letter written on 25 Apr 1961 om|in wiki]] ||
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| 91 || 1962-06-23 ||  || written on or sent from a train
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| 92 || 1962-06-25-om ||  ||
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| 93 || 1962-01-25-om ||  ||
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| 94 || 1962-02-01-pm ||  ||
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| 95 || 1962-02-07 ||  ||
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| 96 || 1962-02-11-am ||  || has a PS, salutation just plain "Maan"
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| 97 || 1962-02-15-pm ||  ||
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| 98 || 1969-02-10-pm ||  || year may be mistaken, as on p 76
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| 99 || 1962-02-24-pm ||  ||
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Revision as of 05:13, 21 November 2019

The Diamond 2002 edition is all we have so far of this book. And that may be all there ever has been. The production standards of the first pages (before p 60) are so different from the last pages (after p 60), it is hard to imagine a preceding "house" edition that Diamond just reproduced whole (more or less), as they have done with most of their Osho books.

It is worth considering that this is a Diamond-only edition, that there is no preceding earlier JJK, RF or Rebel edition. Other indications of that besides the odd production standards are the name on the title page, which is not Osho but "Vikal Gautam". Vikal Gautam also writes a long introduction, after Keerti's short introduction, then come 48 pages of crowded, cramped text, which quotes Osho liberally but is not all him or his letters. So it could easily be a personal initiative of this Vikal Gautam. Only a good reading by a real Hindi speaker will be able to sort out this first section, especially the part before p 25.

Below are two tables, one for the first pages <60, the other for the rest of the book, showing which dates of letters are found on which pages of that book, based on scans of the book. -- doofus-9 05:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

             

Earlier pages

Table entries indicate where passages END, ie where Osho's signature or equivalent appears, with or without a date. ** = Likely too long to be one single letter, whether dated or not. Note also that information between letter content such as dates, location or signature, especially in the earlier pages, may be ambiguous as to which letter it applies to, as there may be no demarcating lines or spacing. Therefore, mistakes may be made. Links will be provided eventually to wiki images of letters, if and when.

Page # Letter Date Wiki
image?
22 undated **
25 1962-08-16 om **    
36 undated **
37 1960-11-22
37 undated
38 1960-11-29
40 1961-07-18
42 1961-07-18
(yes, same date)
44 undated, unsigned
44 undated, short
46 1962-12-12
47 1962-05-22 pm
49 1961-12-02
50 1962-05-09
52 1961-06-08
52 undated?
53 no year-06-30 om
53 undated
56 1961-01-03
57 undated
59 no year-mm-dd xm

Later pages

From here onward likely all pages in a new spacious format, max one letter per page. So, a new table.

Page # Letter Date Wiki
image?		 notes
60 undated
61 1960-10-05
62 1960-10-13
63 undated
64 1960-10-10
65 undated
66 1960-11-22 same date as P 37, different letter
67 1960-12-08
68 1960-12-15-pm
69 1960-12-15-om
70 1960-12-27
71 undated परिशिष्ट (appendix), 3 parts, to Shanta, Parakhji and Maan
72 1961-01-03
73 undated
74 1961-01-10
75 1961-01-18-xm
76 1961-01-26 in wiki book has transcribed year (as 1969) and other things incorrectly
but this is the same letter, written from Sagar
77 1961-01-30-om PS, to Maan
78 1961-01-30-am
79 1961-02-07-xm
80 1961-02-12 in wiki some transcription errors, day mentioned as ravivar (Sunday)
81 1961-02-22 PS, to Padm and Phadke Guruji
82 1961-02-22-xm
83 undated
84 1961-03-08-am
85 1961-03-19-pm p 85 & 86 likely one letter running to two pages: no sig on p 85,
text runs all the way to bottom, p 86 short, no date, no greeting
86 undated
87 undated-pm
88 undated PS format -- to Shri Parakhji, then to Padm, then to Maan,
with upcoming dates mentioned at end 28 Mar - 2 Apr
89 1961-04-15-am
90 1961-04-25-om in wiki
91 1962-06-23 written on or sent from a train
92 1962-06-25-om
93 1962-01-25-om
94 1962-02-01-pm
95 1962-02-07
96 1962-02-11-am has a PS, salutation just plain "Maan"
97 1962-02-15-pm
98 1969-02-10-pm year may be mistaken, as on p 76
99 1962-02-24-pm

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