Talk:Shiksha Mein Kranti (शिक्षा में क्रांति)
About the five constituent shorter series said to make up Shiksha Mein Kranti, the source for this info is not impeccable but still may be credible. While searching for Naye Manushya Ke Janma Ki Disha, i found only two solid references (more on that there) plus a guy selling audios, and expounding on Shiksha and its parts. Audios for that series were not found anywhere else, at least under that name.
Some confirmation would be nice but information reaching that far back is a thin stream, so we may have to be patient. FWIW, "Doc X" lists four of the five sub-series (as themselves), leaving out only Naye Manushya. But for the "shorter" Shiksha Mein Kranti alone, it has 22 chapters, and a combined discourse count of 23 for the other three brings us already to 45, way over the top, so this avenue does not seem very promising.
Nor is enlightenment to be found looking at the discourse titles, below. Two of the constituents show up there, as discourses one and three, there are a couple of resemblances for two of the others, and a tantalizing Nari Aur Kranti but no reason to believe that its relationship to Shiksha is anything more than general thematic resonance. And even a cross-checking of Naye Bharat's chapter titles (not done earlier) has turned up no correspondences.
About the editions: The Diamond edition, at only 200 pages (or 197 per some sources), is not likely the whole original text. The TOC suggests only eight chapters, though some amalgamation and condensation may have taken place. In fact, in Revolution in Education, there are nine chapters, so it looks like shifting and merging happens with this book. And fwiw, one of those chapters is called Towards the Birth of a New Man, exactly a translation of Naye Manushya Ke Janma Ki Disha, so some confirmation is drifting in re the constituent series.
About dates and numbers of discourses: Assuming (for now) the five-component model for Shiksha, we have dribs and drabs of info of varying quality from many places. Putting it all together in a coherent picture would be too much to expect, so we'll settle for a very incomplete and not entirely consistent picture.
One of the most incomplete aspects of this picture concerns Shiksha the component. Almost nothing is known about it, though there may be fragments, eg Neeten's Osho Source Book reports a manuscript written by Osho in 1968 called "Education, Teacher and Society" and subtitled "Thoughtprovoking Lecture for a Group of Teachers of Bombay" which, alas, does not correspond to any of our titles below but could easily be in the original Shiksha series. Neeten also reports Shiksha as a 28-talk series with talks in the years 1967-1969. There are 31 in our (larger) version here. Neeten is perhaps not counting a few like Naye Manushya from 1962ish (he has in any case counted it in that context). And so it goes.
FWIW, osho.com lists 31 audios for the larger Shisksha as well, but only 24 are are available and having titles (and several of them having parts missing or other sound problems). The missing chapters -- so perhaps audio for them never existed? -- are #1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9 and 31. Osho World hasn't an audiobook but in its free downloads offers 22 talks.
So how many talks might there be in Shiksha the component? That can only be guessed / inferred by subtracting all the other components from 31. And it's not like they are well known. See what i mean? Anyway, proceeding on into this nebulosity, best guesses for the other slightly better known suspected components are Agyat 7, Naye Manushya 1, Naye Bharat 11 and Dharm 5, which leaves seven for Shiksha the component. And so that shall be our best guess, perhaps with a 5% chance of being right? -- updated doofus-9 (talk) 18:18, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
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Just some info: OshoWorld has #4, #6, #7 and #10 - #28 in "High Quality" mp3, and had earlier #1 - #29 in "Low Quality".
In LQ, #1 - #28 have corresponding content cf. the HQ; LQ's #1-3, 5 and 8-9 have no sound. So LQ only adds #29. --Sugit (talk) 15:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC). Updated: --Sugit (talk) 05:27, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
And more stray info: Ch 29 here also turns out to have the same title as a chapter in Nav-Sannyas Kya? (नव-संन्यास क्या?). It is probably more likely that they are unrelated, just two talks having coincidentally the same title. It happens. If they are related or the same, an interesting question arises as to which one came first and is the source for the other. Shiksha is not the only series searching for its roots; Nav-Sannyas is also in that boat. Given the relative time frames of each though, it is more likely that Shiksha is a (partial) source for Nav-Sannyas rather than the reverse, if either is the case. -- doofus-9 06:51, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
And revisiting the audiobook places, OW and o.com (which have discourse titles to go with their offerings), we find a great similarity between their titles and those of the book. This is not all that common. The only difference found was in the spelling of nayi/nai in ch 29, where OW has नयी instead of नई. And the missing chapters/discourses are 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 9. and 31 fwiw, with OW additionally missing #30. nbd -- doofus-9 21:12, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
"Subtitle repair" done on the basis of info received from Shailendra. Previously subtitles were created from trying to read from the low-medium-res OMI cover image, with less than 100% accuracy. Xtra-low-res 2002 Rebel cover image still too low-res to guarantee the same subtitle but felt to be a reasonable supposition. -- doofus-9 20:16, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
1989 edition was added on the basis of appearing in a list of upcoming titles published in March 1989. Text explaining the ins and outs of the story involved can be found at Talk:Hindi Subtitles – A Story. Shiksha's subtitle plays a significant part in the article connected with that talk page. -- doofus-9 02:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
TOC of Shailendra's e-book is almost the same, except:
- - ch.1: नये मनुष्य के जन्म की दिशा
- - ch.26: जीवंत शिक्षकों की खोज
--DhyanAntar 04:47, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Revolution in Education has lots of very concrete dates and places, so seems to refer to real events.
I think we should try to find how this book and that translation combine. In Talk:Revolution in Education I have given it a try. Maybe it is also possible to Google-tranlate the book and compare that with Revolution. (This comparing has now been done by Antar,see Talk:Revolution in Education) --Sugit (talk) 17:59, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
Renaming of events
The publishing destiny of first 8 chapters are clear now, i compared texts (by using Shailendra's PDF) and chapter titles of booklets. Much help was from TOC of RF edition.
Related 8 events to these chapters will be removed or renamed, except two events Shiksha Mein Kranti ~ 02 and ~ 03 because we do not know what Agyt Ki Or events match to them: 2 chapters published at first there, which corresponding to Shiksha's 2nd and 3rd ch., but there are 7 audios and it is unclear what chapters are in events. See Talk:Agyat Ki Or (अज्ञात की ओर).--DhyanAntar 05:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
