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This is one of hundreds of letters Osho wrote to [[Ma Anandmayee]], then known as Madan Kunwar Parekh. It is undated and probably is the second part of another letter. In fact, it begins without a salutation, and just "पुनश्च", punashch, or PS. Best guess at this point is that it is a PS connected with the [[Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm]]. | |||
There are two angles to be explored here: What letter (and its date) is this letter a PS of/after and how can we know? And what about those marks and numbers? Are they 35 or 37? 61, 62 or 63? As it happens, getting clear about one of these things may help to lead to the other. So let's start by looking at the connection that was hinted at with [[Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm]]. | There are two angles to be explored here: What letter (and its date) is this letter a PS of/after and how can we know? And what about those marks and numbers? Are they 35 or 37? 61, 62 or 63? As it happens, getting clear about one of these things may help to lead to the other. So let's start by looking at the connection that was hinted at with [[Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm]]. | ||
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It is speculated that that PS goes with this letter. That this letter is "missing" something more is contra-indicated by Osho's signature, but against that there is an "xxx" just before the sig, which he frequently uses as a divider between parts of a letter. Perhaps the content can tell us something about this. | It is speculated that that PS goes with this letter. That this letter is "missing" something more is contra-indicated by Osho's signature, but against that there is an "xxx" just before the sig, which he frequently uses as a divider between parts of a letter. Perhaps the content can tell us something about this. | ||
The letterhead is a new one, full of information about the "Sant Taaran Taran Jayanti Samaroha Samiti", or Sant Taaran Taran Birthday Celebration Committee. This is the third piece of this Committee's stationery we have come across, with earlier varieties found at [[Letter written on 25 Nov 1960]] and [[Letter written on 15 Apr 1961 am]]. The Committee's name is in the largest font, written sideways on the left edge. To the right of that, various "members", functionaries and "guests" of the Committee are listed, too many to detail here but including the "director" Acharya Rajneesh, his cousin [[Arvind Kumar Jain|Arvind]], possibly his other cousin [[Ma Yoga Kranti|Kranti]], whose name may have been mis-rendered here as Kanti, and other family members (many Samaiyas). On the right top the "Karyalay" (Office) address is given as good old 115, Napier Town. | |||
There is not much room left in this massive detailed Letterhead for an actual letter, but for the PS which this is, no problem. As mentioned, there is no salutation, and there are only two marks of note and both are ambiguous. The number in the top right corner could be read as 35 or 37, and the pale mirror-image number in the bottom right corner could be 61, 62 or 63. There is no red tick mark. | |||
And what might the numbers suggest? Well, first we might want to know what exactly the numbers are. So what do you see there in the upper right corner of this undated PS? 35 would suggest it should be paired with [[Letter written on 18 Nov 1961]], whose numbers are clearly and unambiguously 35 and 61, while 37 would lead somewhere else. Looking closely at 008's numbers, we can now see that the style of its putative 61 is very similar to that of Nov 18's 61. And now, quite frankly, that 35/37 is looking more like 35. | And what might the numbers suggest? Well, first we might want to know what exactly the numbers are. So what do you see there in the upper right corner of this undated PS? 35 would suggest it should be paired with [[Letter written on 18 Nov 1961]], whose numbers are clearly and unambiguously 35 and 61, while 37 would lead somewhere else. Looking closely at 008's numbers, we can now see that the style of its putative 61 is very similar to that of Nov 18's 61. And now, quite frankly, that 35/37 is looking more like 35. | ||
So be it! So now we have to lean in the direction of this 008 PS being paired with Nov 18. And its place among the image file numbers also supports this view. 863, right after 862 and before 864, another image of the same Nov 18 letter. At first glance, the Nov 18 letter looks complete, with a signature, and no sign that it needs a PS, yet with lots of room to write one, not to mention a whole back side, but this observation cannot compete with the numbers. -- doofus-9 05:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC) | So be it! So now we have to lean in the direction of this 008 PS being paired with Nov 18. And its place among the image file numbers also supports this view. 863, right after 862 and before 864, another image of the same Nov 18 letter. At first glance, the Nov 18 letter looks complete, with a signature, and no sign that it needs a PS, yet with lots of room to write one, not to mention a whole back side, but this observation cannot compete with the numbers.-- doofus-9 05:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC) | ||
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Revision as of 05:16, 19 January 2020
This is one of hundreds of letters Osho wrote to Ma Anandmayee, then known as Madan Kunwar Parekh. It is undated and probably is the second part of another letter. In fact, it begins without a salutation, and just "पुनश्च", punashch, or PS. Best guess at this point is that it is a PS connected with the Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm.
There are two angles to be explored here: What letter (and its date) is this letter a PS of/after and how can we know? And what about those marks and numbers? Are they 35 or 37? 61, 62 or 63? As it happens, getting clear about one of these things may help to lead to the other. So let's start by looking at the connection that was hinted at with Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm.
One obvious connection is that these two letters, or halves of letters, are written on the first and so far only two examples of a previously unseen letterhead. To call it a letterhead may even be a bit of an exaggeration. They could just be pieces of paper lying around that had a bit of empty space. The first Committee "letterhead" used in Letter written on 25 Nov 1960 was similarly crowded and busy, not the kind of letterhead used routinely. So, that these "two" letters, one just a PS without a greeting, both used the same odd letterhead is suggestive of being used on the same occasion.
It is speculated that that PS goes with this letter. That this letter is "missing" something more is contra-indicated by Osho's signature, but against that there is an "xxx" just before the sig, which he frequently uses as a divider between parts of a letter. Perhaps the content can tell us something about this.
The letterhead is a new one, full of information about the "Sant Taaran Taran Jayanti Samaroha Samiti", or Sant Taaran Taran Birthday Celebration Committee. This is the third piece of this Committee's stationery we have come across, with earlier varieties found at Letter written on 25 Nov 1960 and Letter written on 15 Apr 1961 am. The Committee's name is in the largest font, written sideways on the left edge. To the right of that, various "members", functionaries and "guests" of the Committee are listed, too many to detail here but including the "director" Acharya Rajneesh, his cousin Arvind, possibly his other cousin Kranti, whose name may have been mis-rendered here as Kanti, and other family members (many Samaiyas). On the right top the "Karyalay" (Office) address is given as good old 115, Napier Town.
There is not much room left in this massive detailed Letterhead for an actual letter, but for the PS which this is, no problem. As mentioned, there is no salutation, and there are only two marks of note and both are ambiguous. The number in the top right corner could be read as 35 or 37, and the pale mirror-image number in the bottom right corner could be 61, 62 or 63. There is no red tick mark.
And what might the numbers suggest? Well, first we might want to know what exactly the numbers are. So what do you see there in the upper right corner of this undated PS? 35 would suggest it should be paired with Letter written on 18 Nov 1961, whose numbers are clearly and unambiguously 35 and 61, while 37 would lead somewhere else. Looking closely at 008's numbers, we can now see that the style of its putative 61 is very similar to that of Nov 18's 61. And now, quite frankly, that 35/37 is looking more like 35.
So be it! So now we have to lean in the direction of this 008 PS being paired with Nov 18. And its place among the image file numbers also supports this view. 863, right after 862 and before 864, another image of the same Nov 18 letter. At first glance, the Nov 18 letter looks complete, with a signature, and no sign that it needs a PS, yet with lots of room to write one, not to mention a whole back side, but this observation cannot compete with the numbers.-- doofus-9 05:57, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
It needs to add that "xxx" in Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm says about contination.
Above clues are enough on my opinion on marry PS with this letter. Agree?--DhyanAntar 10:58, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
My default position is not knowing, having seen knowing crumble to dust so much. Still, we can go with this if you like. When a transcription comes, the text might help to clarify matters too. -- doofus-9 19:42, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Yesterday i asked a Hindi friend about these two sheets and he told that sheet Letter written on 28 Nov 1961 pm is complete in itself and he did not notice indications about relations of two sheets, no date in PS. But he thinks that PS belongs to this letter because of letterhead.
We have enough clues (the same letterheads, which not repeated in other letters, incomplete first sheet of the letter ("xxx"), close file names), so i will put this letter as second part of 8 Nov's.--DhyanAntar 05:04, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
