Talk:Panth Prem Ko Atpato (पंथ प्रेम को अटपटो)

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Unknown edition cover discussion

There is another, likely earlier edition which came to light while researching this book, but information on it is so butchered that it doesn't really merit putting on the main page for this book. Images at right represent the purported front and back covers, more about them below.

The information was found at Osho World, and consisted of the images, an ISBN 81-8393-039-5, a publisher, Sadhana Pocket Books, and a short blurb. This ISBN (hyphenated) is found only there but when the hyphens are removed, it is found at four booksellers' pages. Great, except they're assigning that ISBN to another Osho book, Samund Samana Bund Mein (समुंद समाना बुंद में). Well, okay but, uh, they're listing it as "Samudra Samana Bund Main," and, oh well, never mind.

Rebel Publisher Book Price list 2018.11 confirm that this ISBN belongs to Samund Samana Bund Mein.--DhyanAntar 05:16, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

The images are unusual to say the least. There is no title on the front cover, a significant omission. And it is a very different dimension from the back cover. How are they going to fit together? If the left side of the square-ish front cover were folded to cover the book's spine, it would be a book as thick as War and Peace (Large Print edition), so no, that won't work. Maybe just a large piece of the cover is missing, where the title is? Who knows?

At least the back cover is a normal dimension. It also appears to have a different ISBN but too low-res to make out. But is very likely a genuine back cover, as some of the Panth Prem blurb from can be made out:

ब्रह्मचर्य परम भोग है
मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है?
जागना ही एकमात्र तपश्चर्या है
ज्ञान भीख नहीं है
अहंकार से मुक्ति का उपाय क्या है?

So be it.

Chapter order and titles discussion

Much of the discussion below was written before the 1989 Rebel edition showed up, making it partially obsolete. Thus, mentions of "the book" refer to OMI's 2013 edition, which was published to fit with the 2014 English translation. So five chapters and so on, whereas the 1989 edition had seven. New discussion follows the old. The 1989 edition's TOC has been added to the table in the old discussion for easier comparison. Note that the 1989 chapters have been re-ordered here to make like titles align; chapter numbers have been preserved.

Old discussion, prior to 2018

There was also a question of three vs five discourses/chapters. It seems that three is what you get from freebie audio download places and five from audiobooks and books. But there are a few twists. Below, a comparison of titles from book, Osho World audiobook and audiobook:

  अनुक्रम (the 2013 book's TOC):
1: ब्रह्मचर्य और समाधि
2: मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है?
3: होश से क्रांति
4: स्वयं का साक्षात
5: अहंकार का भ्रम
  प्रवचन (OW audiobook):
1. ब्रह्मचर्य और समाधि
2. मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है?
3. स्वयं का साक्षात
4. कामऊर्जा का ऊध्र्वगमन
5. अहंकार का भ्रम
  विषय सूची ( audiobook):
1. ब्रह्मचर्य और समाधि
2. मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है?
  अनुक्रम (the 1989 book's TOC):
1. भीतर है आनंद
5: ब्रह्मचर्य और समाधि
7: मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है?
2: होश से क्रांति
3: स्वयं का साक्षात
4. काम-ऊर्जा का ऊर्ध्वगमन
6: अहंकार का भ्रम

For some reason, titles are different between OW's audiobook and the book for #3 and 4. Undoubtedly it all makes internal sense. -- Sarlo (talk) 09:38, 9 August 2014 (PDT)

Anyway, the meaning of the chapters of the book are kind of exactly the same as the chapters of Breaking All Boundaries (2014), the English translation.

The colophon of that translation:

"Originally published in Hindi in 1980 as Panth Prem Ko Atpato." (So there should be a 1980 edition.)
"Extemporaneous talks given by Osho in Mumbai, Ahmedabad, Pune, Matheran and Indore, India."

--Sugit (talk) 10:43, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

In addition to this, the 1980 edition was attested to by the recent publications list of Rahiman Dhaga Prem Ka (रहिमन धागा प्रेम का), published in July 1980. In that list, it was referred to as a "pocket edition". The publisher was also on that basis assumed to be Rajneesh Foundation. -- doofus-9 18:46, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

New discussion, 2018 +

There have been lots of changes since 1989, perhaps under the influence of a variety of priorities. Not only does 1989's book have more chapters, including one not found in any of the other formats, its chapters are in a different order. More research is needed! -- doofus-9 03:44, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Dec 2019 brought new data on first edition published in 1980 by RF, incl. dates stated in ends of chapters. These are:

media status

The free offering of OW has 3 mp3s: 41, 50 and 74min respectively. mentions 5 audios, but has only 2 available:

  • #1: ब्रह्मचर्य और समाधि 50min
  • #2: मनुष्य विक्षिप्त क्यों है? 74min

It needs to be researched what is what. --Sugit (talk) 19:30, 16 December 2018 (UTC)