Talk:Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or (संभोग से समाधि की ओर)

As noted on the main page, Sambhog can be said to have either five or eighteen discourses. This is because it is both the title of a compilation of four books and the title of one of the component books. The four books are:

I: Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or ("Part I")

II: Yuvak Aur Yaun (युवक और यौन)

III: Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks)

IV: Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2)

As a whole, they are sometimes referred to as Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or - Sampurna (Complete). And in some places you see the Roman numerals after the individual titles, eg Nari Aur Kranti - III. Details of how they fit together are below in the TOC section.

Sambhog as a component book is from a series of five talks given in Mumbai/Bombay in 1968. The first was given at Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan Auditorium on Aug 28, 1968. Osho had been invited to talk on Love and surprised his sponsors by speaking frankly of sexual energy and its importance in the spiritual journey. The dignitaries sitting on the stage with him all left and the rest of the talks scheduled there were cancelled. Osho went back to Jabalpur but returned to Mumbai a month later to finish the series, in a large park downtown (Gowalia Tank Maidan, Sep 28 - Oct 1, 1968), where he attracted crowds in the multi-thousands. There are numerous accounts of all this, some of which are excerpted by Neeten in his online Osho Source Book.

TOC below is for the full 18-chapter book. G**gle Books has it and all four component books online for inside-the-book peeks. All except Nari show their TOCs, which makes for a handy comparison of chapter titles. (As mentioned in the discussion page for Nari, a version of that TOC was mysteriously found elsewhere in a blog.) The inside-the-book chapter titles match up perfectly, though not in order, so a Roman numeral is placed after each chapter title to indicate which component book it is from, plus its chapter number there. -- Sarlo (talk) 09:48, 8 June 2014 (PDT)

विषय सूची (TOC):

1. संभोग : परमात्मा की सृजन-ऊर्जा (Sambhog: Paramatma Ki Srijan-Oorja) I-1

2. संभोग : अहं-शून्यता की झलक (Sambhog: Aham-Shoonyata Ki Jhalak) I-2

3. संभोग : समय-शून्यता की झलक (Sambhog: Samay-Shoonyata Ki Jhalak) I-3

4. समाधी : अहं-शून्यता, समय-शून्यता का अनुभव (Samadhi: Aham-Shoonyata, Samay-Shoonyata Ka Anubhav) I-4

5. समाधी : संभोग-ऊर्जा का आध्यात्मिक नियोजन (Samadhi: Sambhog-Urja Ka Adhyatmik Niyojan) I-5

6. यौन : जीवन का ऊर्जा-आयाम (Yaun: Jeevan Ka Oorja-Ayam) II-2

7. युवक और यौन (Yuvak Aur Yaun) II-1

8. प्रेम और विवाह (Prem Aur Vivaha) III-2

9. जनसंख्या विस्फोट (Janasankhya Visphota) III-1

10. विद्रोह क्या है (Vidroha Kya Hai?) II-5

11. युवक कौन (Yuvak Kaun?) II-3

12. युवा चित्त का जन्म (Yuva Chitta Ka Janma) II-4

13. नारी और क्रांति (Nari Aur Kranti) III-3

14. नारी—एक और आयाम (Nari—Ek Aur Ayam) III-4

15. सिद्धांत, शास्त्र और वाद से मुक्ति (Siddhant, Shastra Aur Vad Se Mukti) IV-1

16. भीड़ से, समाज से—दूसरों से मुक्ति (Bheed Se, Samaj Se—Doosron Se Mukti) IV-2

17. दमन से मुक्ति (Daman Se Mukti) IV-3

18. न भोग, न दमन—वरन जागरण (Na Bhog, Na Daman—Varan Jagran) IV-4

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My question: which editions have 5 chapters, and which have 18 chapters? This should be made clear on the main page. Maybe it would be better to give the 5/18 versions two different titles! --Sugit (talk) 14:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

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Patience, my friend. We will come to that soon. After media/book checking i am going to add TOCs on main page, then all will be clear. Notes about different editions will be added too.

About dividing into two pages... I think it will bring more mess into Hindi publication. Many-many Hindi books has different chapter format and i would leave one Hindi title for clarification. Thik hai? (Ok?)--DhyanAntar 15:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, certainly OK.--Sugit (talk) 15:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

About the 1988 Rebel edition

There isn't really anything that should require noting but ya never know. Basically, all the info for this edition is material brought over from the old-format wiki page to close it out. Both the publisher's name and the book's title contain anomalies which in some circumstances might require new (separate) pages, so i note them here. Both derive from errors or excesses in transliteration and are therefore not significant imo. Also, the title has added on the subtitle (exactly the same subtitle as the 2001 OMI edition and therefore also not significant).

"Di Rebela Pablisinga Hausa, Poona" is clearly not a new name or imprint but just a case of back-and-forth transliterations. The protocols of dealing with it i leave to others. Similarly, "Sambhoga se samadhi ki ora jivana urja rupantarana ka vijnana" is just a different transliteration of the same Hindi original title, plus the original subtitle thrown in, "jivana urja rupantarana ka vijnana," or "The Science of Transformation of Life Energy." As the addition of a subtitle has been with other books either a mistake or a bookseller's license, it's safe to say the same applies here. -- Sarlo (talk) 23:02, 17 August 2014 (PDT)

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I was confused, because OshoWorld's free High Quality Hindi mp3s only has #1 - 16. But luckily their earlier, Lower Quality set had "1-18", with #10 and #12 empty dummys. In HQ these are missing resulting in wrong numbers. I think we can assume safely that this clears up any uncertainty about which is which, as the OshoWorld CD set has 18 chapters with chapter-titles exactly the same as above. --Sugit (talk) 18:33, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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Revisiting that OW CD (audiobook) has led to some small typographical updates. These include fixing some errors on my part, and noting an ambiguity for one word of ch 6's title and an impossible-to-replicate letter combination for "chitta" in ch 12 in the 2002 Diamond edition of Yuvak. -- doofus-9 16:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

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Lots of "typos" fixed and typographical and transliteration styles updated to make text-TOC above conform (as much as possible) to 1997 TOC per image. -- doofus-9 22:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

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I have two remarks. One, maybe good to mention explicitly that Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (6 talks)'s first publication is 1999, so after the first edition of this book.

Two, maybe good to mention Prem Aur Vivah (प्रेम और विवाह) somewhere, as that is a real First Edition. --Sugit (talk) 10:53, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

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Sugit, the 1999 edition of Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (6 talks) has another content and it is not related with current series. You must mean Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks), which known early edition is the 2003.--DhyanAntar 16:48, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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1978 edition has dates and place, or only places and not for all chapters. These data confirmes dates and places from other sources incl. intros of audios, which give places.--DhyanAntar 06:32, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

media status

According to Sw Antar Rahi's research, the audio of Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or #12 on OW is in fact #14, it matches ch.14.

The audio that actually matches Sambhog Se Samadhi Ki Or ch.12 is on OW under the title Nanak Dukhiya Sab Sansar #2. See also that talk page --DhyanAntar 12:56, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

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OW has 16 high-quality audios #1 - 16. osho.com has only 5: the first 5 of OW, which are indisputable "Sambhog".

In OW's older offering of low-quality mp3s, they had #01 -- #18, with #10 and #12 missing (often the numbering of those LQ audios has proved meaningful).

Then there is the 5 (8!) discourses of Yuvak Aur Yaun (युवक और यौन). These may be OW-Sambhog's #07, #06, #11, #12 and #10 respectively. See Yuvak's talk page.

Then there are the 4 discourses of Nari Aur Kranti (नारी और क्रान्ति) (4 talks), which are OW-Sambhog's #09, #08, #13 and #14 respectively, see Nari (2)'s talk page.

And lastly OW-Sambhog's #15 -- 18 are Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र) (2), the 4 chapter book. See that talk page. (Not to be confused with the 10 chapter Jeevan Kranti Ke Sutra (जीवन क्रांति के सूत्र)). And JJKS(2) corresponds 4 audios of Kranti Sutra (क्रांति सूत्र), mentioned at osho.com.

But these are just vague ideas, based on chapter titles and audio titles, they need to be checked serously, and also the question of what are the appropriate eventNames. --Sugit (talk) 16:04, 16 December 2018 (UTC)