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Revision as of 05:12, 18 January 2020
The Diamond 2002 edition is all we have so far of this book. And that may be all there ever has been. The low production standards found in the first pages (before p 60) are so different from those after p 60, it is hard to imagine a preceding "house" edition (JJK, RF or Rebel) that Diamond just reproduced whole (more or less), as they have done with most of their Osho books. One measure of the lack of professionalism in the book is the inclusion of contact details of Osho's organizers in Mumbai, Delhi and other places, even addresses and phone numbers. This kind of thing is not seen in house editions.
Another indication that this is a Diamond-only edition is the name on the title page, which is not Osho but "Vikal Gautam". Vikal Gautam also writes a long introduction, after Keerti's short introduction, then come 48 pages of crowded, cramped text, quoting Osho liberally but clearly more than his letters. So it could easily be a personal initiative of this Vikal Gautam. Only a good reading by a real Hindi speaker will be able to sort out this first section, especially the part before p 25.
The book has no Table of Contents -- also very un-typical -- so this page is an attempt to organize one. Below are two tables, one for the first 60 pages, the other for the rest of the book, showing which dates of letters are found on which pages of that book, based on scans of the book. Eventually it is hoped that most of the contents can be linked to images of original letters. -- doofus-9 05:13, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
Added first edition category. We do not know an earlier edition of this book or other book, which includes all these letters. Unless the opposite will not be proved, this book will stay as first edition.
The question about events: what title we will use? Some manuscripts found in this book as published, search "Bhavna" on Letters to Anandmayee.--DhyanAntar 10:01, 15 December 2019 (UTC)
Earlier pages
Table entries indicate where passages END, ie where Osho's signature or equivalent appears, with or without a date. ** = Likely too long to be one single letter, whether dated or not. Note also that information between letter content such as dates, location or signature, especially in the earlier pages, may be ambiguous as to which letter it applies to, as there may be no demarcating lines or spacing. Therefore, mistakes may be made. Links will be provided eventually to wiki images of letters, if and when.
Page # | Letter Date | Wiki image?, notes |
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22 | undated ** | (where letter starts? 1969-01-05?) |
25 | 1962-08-16-om | the same as on p.151, but last part is compacted to one paragraph, here is wrong date (correct is 1962-08-17-om, as in manuscript) |
37 | 1960-11-22 | letter on pages 36-37, this is shortened version of letter on p.60, available as manuscript |
37 | undated | shortened version of letter on p.65, manuscript available too |
38 | 1960-11-29 | letter is on p.37-38, the same letter as on p.66 (difference in punctuation only + p.66 has wrong date); manuscript of this letter on wiki is Letter written on 29 Nov 1960 |
40 | 1961-07-18 | |
42 | 1961-01-18 | |
44 | undated, short | this is first paragraph of the letter on p.75 |
46 | 1962-12-12 | the same letter as on p.183, but there is not mentioned any date |
47 | 1962-03-22-pm | the letter on p.46-47 (PS lasts for one paragraph), this is the same as on p.107 |
49 | 1961-12-02 | date stated before letter; on wiki, Letter written on 2 Dec 1961; PS not published in the book |
50 | 1962-05-09 | date stated before letter; the same letter as on page 117 but with date 1962-05-08 |
52 | 1961-06-08 | date stated before letter; this is first part of Letter written on 8 Jun 1961 |
53 | no year-01-30-om | date stated before letter; the same letter as on p.77, manuscript available. Year of the letter is 1961 |
57 | 1961-01-03 | date stated before letter on p.56; letter on pages 56-57 and this is a little shortened version of letter on p.72, manuscript available |
59 | no year-mm-dd-xm | this is a little shortened version of letter on p.82; manuscript is available Letter written on 28 Feb 1961 xm |
Later pages
From here onward, all pages are in a new spacious format, max one letter per page. Dates in the second column are as in the book. Note that quite a few of them are wrong, perhaps hurriedly transcribed, with a 1 or a 10 being mistaken for a 9 the most frequent types, but not the only such errors.
Page # | Letter Date | Wiki image |
notes |
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60 | undated | in wiki | manuscript gives 22 Nov 1960 date. There is a shortened version on p.36-37 with this date |
61 | 1960-10-05 | in wiki | |
62 | 1960-10-13 | ||
63 | undated | in wiki | |
64 | 1960-10-10 | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 25 Nov 1960 |
65 | undated | in wiki | short version also available on p.37 |
66 | 1960-11-22 | in wiki | same letter as on p 37-38 but different date; p 66 is wrong, 37-38 right, confirmed by manuscript, 29 Nov 1960 |
67 | 1960-12-08 | in wiki | |
68 | 1960-12-15-pm | in wiki | |
69 | 1960-12-15-om | in wiki | |
70 | 1960-12-27 | in wiki | |
71 | undated | in wiki | परिशिष्ट (appendix), 3 parts, to Shanta, Parakhji and Maan. Manuscript gives the date 4 Jan 1961 |
72 | 1961-01-03 | in wiki | shortened version is available p.56-57 |
73 | undated | in wiki | |
74 | 1961-01-10 | in wiki | in the book missing first 3 sentences |
75 | 1961-01-18-xm | in wiki | first paragraph of this letter available also on p.44 |
76 | 1961-01-26 | in wiki | book has transcribed year (as 1969) and other things incorrectly but this is the same letter, written from Sagar |
77 | 1961-01-30-om | in wiki | PS, to Maan. The same letter repeated on p.53 with left out year (rest date is correct) |
78 | 1961-01-30-am | in wiki | |
79 | 1961-02-07-xm | in wiki | |
80 | 1961-02-12 | in wiki | some transcription errors, day mentioned as ravivar (Sunday) |
81 | 1961-02-22 | in wiki | PS, to Padm and Phadke Guruji |
82 | 1961-02-22-xm | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: handwriting of it is very close to "22". The same letter with a bit shortened form available on p.59 |
83 | undated | in wiki | |
84 | 1961-03-08-am | in wiki | |
85-86 | 1961-03-19-pm | in wiki | here is incorrect date as manuscript has 16th March 1961 pm |
87 | undated-pm | in wiki | manuscript gives the date 26 Mar 1961 |
88 | undated | in wiki | PS format -- to Shri Parakhji, then to Padm, then to Maan, with upcoming dates mentioned at end 28 Mar - 2 Apr |
89 | 1961-04-15-am | in wiki | |
90 | 1961-04-25-om | in wiki | |
91 | 1962-01-23 | written on or sent from a train | |
92 | 1962-01-25-om | in wiki | |
93 | 1962-01-25 | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 28 Jan 1962 |
94 | 1962-02-01-pm | in wiki | PS missing in the book |
95 | 1962-02-07 | in wiki | |
96 | 1962-02-11-am | in wiki | has a PS, salutation just plain "Maan" |
97 | 1962-02-15-pm | in wiki | |
98 | 1969-02-10-pm | in wiki | year may be mistaken, as on p 76. Date in manuscript is 19 Feb 1962 |
99 | 1962-02-24-pm | in wiki | |
100 | 1962-03-02-om | in wiki | |
101 | 1962-03-06-om | in wiki | addressed to Shri Parakh ji |
102 | 1962-03-06 | in wiki | |
103 | 1962-03-08 | in wiki | |
104 | 1962-03-13 | in wiki | |
105 | 1962-03-16-om | in wiki | |
106 | 1962-03-18-om | in wiki | PS mentions dates in April |
107 | 1962-03-22-pm | in wiki | PS mentions dates in April. This letter repeated also on p.46-47 |
108 | 1962-03-25 | in wiki | |
109 | 1962-03-28 | in wiki | PS missing in the book |
110 | undated | in wiki | PS mentions dates in April. Manuscript gives date 30 Mar 1962 |
111 | undated | in wiki | manuscript gives date 12 Apr 1962 |
112-3 | 1962-04-17 on tour (Ujjain) |
in wiki | |
114 | 1962-04-28 | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 20 Apr 1962. PS mentions dates in May |
115 | 1962-04-25-xm | in wiki | |
116 | 1962-04-28-am | in wiki | |
117 | 1962-05-08 | in wiki | the same letter printed on page 50 but with date 1962-05-09. Manuscript confirms date 9 May. |
118-9 | 1962-05-11 on tour (Prayag) |
in wiki | |
120-1 | 1962-05-15 on tour (Kanpur) |
in wiki | |
122 | 1962-05-17-am | in wiki | PS mentions dates in later May |
123-4 | 1962-05-18 | in wiki | on tour (Narsinghpur). Date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 19 May 1962. PS mentions upcoming 10-day stay in Gadarwara |
125 | 1962-05-22-om | in wiki | from Gadarwara |
126-7 | 1962-05-23-am from Gadarwara |
in wiki | |
128-9 | 1962-05-26-om from Gadarwara |
in wiki | PS not printed in the book |
130 | 1962-05-31 | in wiki | |
131-2 | 1962-06-06 | in wiki | PS not printed in the book |
133 | 1962-06-08-pm | in wiki | |
134 | 1962-06-11 | in wiki | |
135-6 | 1962-06-14-pm | in wiki | |
137 | 1962-06-17 | in wiki | |
138-9 | 1962-06-21 | in wiki | |
140 | 1962-06-24-am | in wiki | |
141 | 1962-06-25 | ||
142 | 1962-06-27 | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 29 Jun 1962 |
143 | 1962-07-28-am | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 25 Jul 1962 am |
144 | 1962-07-29-am | in wiki | date differs from manuscript: (correct) date there is 21 Jul 1962 am |
145 | 1962-07-30-xm | in wiki | |
146 | 1962-08-01 | in wiki | |
147 | 1962-08-04 | in wiki | |
148-9 | 1962-08-07-xm | in wiki | p 148-149 one letter: no sig on p 148, text runs to bottom, p 149 text very short, no greeting. Note PS dated separately from letter AND different between book (8 Aug om) and original letter (9 Aug om) |
150 | 1962-08-14 | in wiki | on tour (Narsinghpur) |
151 | 1962-08-17-om | in wiki | PS mentions event Aug 31. The same letter on p.25 with incorrect date 1962-08-16-om |
152 | 1962-08-26 | in wiki | PS mentions events Aug 31 - Sep 3 in Mumbai |
153 | 1962-08-27 | in wiki | |
154 | 1962-09-05-pm | in wiki | |
155 | 1962-09-09-pm | in wiki | |
156 | 1962-09-14 | in wiki | |
157 | 1962-09-21 | in wiki | same date as p 169, that date wrong, different letter; original letter has a short PS, omitted here |
158 | 1962-09-22 | in wiki | same date as p 166, that date wrong, different letter |
159-60 | 1962-09-24 | in wiki | p 159-160 one letter: no sig on p 159, text runs to bottom, p 160 text short, no greeting, no date, PS |
161 | 1962-09-25 | in wiki | original letter has a short PS, omitted here |
162 | 1962-09-27 | in wiki | |
163 | 1962-09-29 | in wiki | PS has address & phones in Bombay for "Tarachand Sant, Kothari" (though name is partially in error); same date as p 168, that date wrong, different letter |
164 | 1962-10-12 | ||
165 | 1962-10-28 | in wiki | date in original letter does not look like 28/10, rather 08/10, see letter's talk page |
166 | 1962-09-22 | in wiki | same date as p 158, date in original letter is clearly 22 Oct |
167 | 1962-10-23-am | in wiki | |
168 | 1962-09-29 | in wiki | same date as p 163, date in original letter is clearly 29 Oct, from Gadarwara, PS says he has "come home" from 24th to 31st |
169 | 1962-09-21 | in wiki | same date as p 157, date in original letter is clearly 29 Oct, from Gadarwara, PS mentions going to Jabalpur on 31st. Note also 168 and 169 both actually are the same date but ARE different letters |
170 | 1962-11-01 | in wiki | short PS is dated 1962-11-02 |
171 | 1962-11-04-pm | in wiki | |
172 | 1962-11-09 | in wiki | |
173 | 1962-11-12 | in wiki | noted as "purnima", full moon |
174-5 | 1962-11-18-pm | in wiki | p 174-175 one letter: no sig or date on p 174, text runs to bottom, p 175 no greeting, but has date and sig |
176 | 1962-11-29 | in wiki | original letter is dated 21 Nov |
177 | 1962-03-24-om | in wiki | wrong month, original letter clearly 24 Nov |
178 | 1962-11-27 | in wiki | |
179 | 1962-11-30 | in wiki | |
180 | 1962-12-03 | in wiki | |
181 | 1962-12-08 | in wiki | |
182 | 1962-12-11 | in wiki | |
183 | undated | in wiki | solely an events report, upcoming Dec 22+, arrived in Satna Dec 14. This letter repeated on p.46 with date 1962-12-12, also confirmed by manuscript image |
184 | 1962-12-15 | in wiki | from Chhatarpur (MP) |
185-6 | 1963-01-04-pm | in wiki | p 185-186 one letter: no sig on p 185, text runs to bottom, p 186 no greeting, no date |
187-8 | 1963-01-08-am | in wiki | p 187-188 one letter: sig on p 187, PS one incomplete line, p 188 no greeting, no date, no sig. Last line (offset) offers blessings to Shanta but truncated. Original PS is approx cut by half. |
189 | 1963-01-10 | in wiki | |
190-1 | 1963-01-16 | in wiki | p 190-191 one letter: no sig on p 190, text runs to bottom, p 191 no greeting, no date. PS mentions events coming Jan 29 - Feb 2 |
192 | 1963-01-21 | in wiki | |
193-4 | 1963-01-25 | in wiki | PS mentions leaving for Udaipur Jan 27 |
195-6 | undated | in wiki | PS mentions Feb 3. Manuscript gives date 28 Jan 1963 am. Last sentence of letter (before PS) is missing in the book |
197 | 1963-02-04 | in wiki | |
198 | 1963-02-06 | in wiki | book has year as 1962, presumed mistaken. Yes, year 1963 confirmed by manuscript |
199 | 1963-02-11-am | in wiki | |
200-1 | 1963-02-17 | in wiki | p 200-201 one letter: no sig on p 200, text runs to bottom, p 201 no date, no greeting, PS mentions Mar 2-3 events, + address and phone of Sundarlal Jain. ALERT: Letter image has a different date, 19 Feb! |
202-3 | 1963-02-23-pm | in wiki | p 202-203 one letter: no date or sig on p 202, text runs to bottom, p 203 text starts in middle of sentence, has date, no greeting, no PS |
204-5 | 1963-03-02-am | in wiki | p 204-205 one letter, written from Delhi: no sig on p 204, text runs to bottom, p 205 no date, no greeting, PS mentions Mar 8 event |
206 | 1963-03-06-om | in wiki | |
207 | 1963-03-12-pm | in wiki | |
208 | 1963-03-18 | in wiki | |
209 | 1963-03-22-xm | in wiki | |
210 | 1963-03-27 | in wiki | |
211 | 1963-03-28-am | in wiki | |
212 | 1963-04-03 | in wiki | |
213 | 1963-04-07 | in wiki | written from Indore, very short |
214-5 | 1963-04-12-om | in wiki | p 214-215 one letter: no sig on p 214, text runs to bottom, p 215 no date, no greeting |
216 | 1963-04-18-xm | in wiki | |
217 | 1963-04-23-am | in wiki | |
218 | 1963-05-16-om | in wiki | |
219 | 1963-05-24-om | written from Gadarwara, p 219 & 220 likely one letter on two pages: no sig on p 219, text runs to bottom, p 220 no date, no greeting | |
220 | |||
221 | 1963-05-26 | in wiki | |
222 | 1963-06-03 | ||
223 | 1963-06-04 | in wiki | |
224 | 1963-06-12 | ||
225 | 1963-06-14 | in wiki | |
226 | 1963-06-16 | in wiki | |
227 | 1963-06-20 | in wiki | |
228 | 1963-06-25-am | in wiki | |
229 | 1963-07-02-am | in wiki | book has year as 1993, PS mentions speaking in Allahabad "tomorrow" |
230 | 1963-07-05-om | in wiki | Book has date as 4th Jul om, but this is the same letter. PS mentions writing on tour from Sachcha Baba Ashram, Arail, a district of Allahabad |
231-2 | 1963-07-16-pm | in wiki | p 231-232 one letter: no sig on p 231, text runs to bottom, p 232 no date, no greeting |
233-4 | 1963-07-25 | in wiki | written on tour from Nepanagar MP, p 233-234 one long letter: no sig on p 233, text runs to bottom, p 234 no date, no greeting; PS mentions events 3-5 Aug + contact info for Prafulla Chandra |
235 | 1963-08-11-om | ||
236 | 1963-08-15 | in wiki | long PS on reverse side of original is omitted, perhaps not noticed? |
237-8 | 1963-08-18-pm | in wiki | p 237-238 one letter written on tour from Indore: date but no sig on p 237, text runs to bottom, p 238 no greeting |
239-40 | 1963-08-28 | in wiki | p 239-240 one letter written on tour from Damoh (MP): date but no sig on p 239, text runs to bottom, p 240 no greeting |
241 | 1963-08-26-pm | written to Sharda | |
242 | 1963 | in wiki | "1963" is the only date info in the letter overtly. |
243 | 1963-09-15 | in wiki | |
244 | 1963-11-19-am | in wiki | PS mentions Taaran Taran birthday celebration 23-25 Dec |
245 | 1963-11-09 | in wiki | "करनी" written above date, just means "doings", implications unclear. |
246 | 1963-11-29 | in wiki | Date typed in actual letter is 22 Nov |
247 | 1963-12-01 | in wiki | PS on reverse side of original is omitted, perhaps not noticed? |
248 | 1963-12-16-am | in wiki | |
249 | 1963-12-07-om | ||
250 | 1964-02-21-am | p 250 & 251 likely one letter written on two pages: no date, no sig on p 250, text runs to bottom, p 251 date but no greeting | |
251 | |||
252 | 1964-01-05 | ||
253 | 1964-01-31-am | ||
254 | undated | ||
255 | 1964-01-17 | short letter with lots of "........." mentions 23 Feb | |
256 | 1964-01-29 | ||
257 | 1964-08-27 | PS includes address of Ramanlal C Shah |